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New Member
United States
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I hate to even post this topic. I'm quite embarrassed. :S Recently bought a 1909-S-VDB RED UNCIRCULATED. A raw coin that pictured well. I bought it at an MS63+/MS64 price. Sent it to PCGS and it's on its way back - UNC - CLEANED. I don't know what value to put on this coin now. My opinion was that it would likely grade MS65, but prepared for an MS64. I have 3 questions: - If this were not a cleaned coin, what grade do you feel this coin is? 64, 65? - What do you feel its value is in a PCGS - CLEANED slab? - Probably the most important to me, is there a legit service to 'fix' a cleaned coin so that PCGS will grade it? Keep in mind, I'm 62 so I don't have forever to wait for natural toning to occur! :P   *** Moved by Staff to a more appropriate forum. *** |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Others may disagree, but in my opinion you're unlikely to ever get this into a straight MS holder from either of the two major TPGs.
Edited by Coinfrog
05/11/2021 6:05 pm
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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If you can still return it to the seller, do that.
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Pillar of the Community
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But now it is in a PCGS Details slab. Maybe talk to the seller and explain the situation. If he won't accept a return then maybe a partial refund?  |
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Moderator
 United States
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I agree with the above, seek a refund. You could make it a pocket piece... and maybe it straight grades AU, but more likely it would not holder until it reaches XF. Paying MS63+/MS64 money for an AU or XF coin though...  |
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New Member
 United States
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Probably unable to resolve this with the seller. They're evasive. It was an auction that listed the item as UNCIRCULATED and a description of MS64 RED and a PCGS price guide.
So, it's my fault apparently for not being able to know it was cleaned. Looking at the coin now, I know...
I'd have to file complaints to get my money back - FTC, State AG, etc. Not the easiest or quickest solution, but there might not be another - pocket. I would never intentionally circulate this coin. I'm sure it's worth more as UNC CLEANED than it is AU. I hear some collectors don't fault properly cleaned coins. This one was dipped or soaked. I don't see any brush marks even at 1200x.
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Moderator
United States
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I'm sure it's worth more as UNC CLEANED than it is AU. I have to agree. You might be able to sell it as-is to an album collector and minimize your losses. No sense trying to chase a straight grade holder. I hope you the best.  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Just for shucks, is the color you show above for the coin actually this pale and washed-out?
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Agree with jbuck (above).
Just curious, does the seller appear to have thousands of successful sales? Are some questionable?
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New Member
United States
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Yes, that is the color of the coin. I didn't purchase this on ebay. It was an auction on HiBid. If I had purchased it on ebay I'd had some buyer protection! |
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New Member
United States
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On the color, I really interpreted the color as just an over-exposure. It didn't dawn on me that a reputable outfit would clean a coin like this.
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Pillar of the Community
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It didn't dawn on me that a reputable outfit would clean a coin like this. It may be that they didn't clean it but they sure as Heck didn't mention cleaning/questionable color to make a sale........so that, to me, would throw their reputation out the window. Edited by Rothery
05/11/2021 7:10 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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So who was this "reputable outfit"? It's okay to name names here. What exactly were the terms of this sale - was a return explicitly denied?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It doesn't appear to have the luster that it should have in that condition and there is no way to get that back.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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You cannot "unclean" a coin. With MS coins, the luster is ruined. The only two options are:
1) Pocket piece, wear down to AU.
2) Re-tone and hope it improves.
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Posted 05/11/2021 4:20 pm
