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Ebay Raw Trade Dollar Looks Fake

 
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 Posted 07/17/2021  5:21 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jimbucks to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
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 Posted 07/17/2021  6:06 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks fine to me, but I'm no Trade dollar expert. It's been removed from a bezel, cleaned, probably bent, and heavily worn.
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 Posted 07/17/2021  6:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add captaincoffee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Probably not a bad philosophy to just go ahead and assume all raw Trade dollars on eBay are fakes. The rims, wear, surfaces, and uneven details on this one all look odd.
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 Posted 07/17/2021  6:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tend to agree. I wouldn't have the confidence to buy a Trade dollar raw, especially on eBay.
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 Posted 07/17/2021  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Check chafemasterj's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add chafemasterj to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Plus imho you could do better on the quality for not much more than that.
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 Posted 07/18/2021  12:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks genuine in my opinion. The damage, toning, and wear all come together to make it look odd. He also seems like a reliable seller with no red flags.

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 Posted 07/18/2021  09:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's over $150 and not slabbed.
I would ignore it, period.
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 Posted 07/18/2021  09:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add muddler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I purchaced a 1875 s Trade dollar off ebay. It was from a reputable seller and turned out to be an 1875 s/cc.

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 Posted 07/18/2021  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldfordman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice to know real ones are on there but the one the topic is about is fake.
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 Posted 07/19/2021  09:59 am  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it is genuine.
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 Posted 07/19/2021  11:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lots of fake Trade dollars have impossible dates and / or mint mark combinations and are thus easy to identify.
If this area of investigation is OK, and there are still doubts, check for general appearance and design detail, and if there is still doubt, a comparative ping tone test against a known genuine coin and confirmation of weight are the next thing to do.

With the second coin pictured it may? a centrifugal cast fake, but I don't have enough experience with Trade dollars to really say so either way, and thus for me at least, I would do a weight check and a ping tone test.
The fact that is came from a reputable dealer does give me lots of confidence and good vibes, but it does have a slightly 'pasty' appearance reminiscent of a centrifugal pressure die casting.
Nevertheless, that appearance may well be due to the lighting and patination characteristics.
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 Posted 07/20/2021  02:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 1878-S on eBay sold. It looked okay, but raw Trade dollars are always risky, especially going by eBay photos alone.

The 1875-S pictured is obviously genuine since it graded. I don't think I would have been bold enough to take a chance, but nice pickup @muddler!
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 Posted 07/24/2021  11:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add whatdowehavehere to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No obcverse denticles, as is always seen, is clearly an indication of of a Bozo "mint"
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