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Would Like Your Thoughts On This Monroe Commem

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 Posted 07/19/2021  1:07 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Bump111 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Scratches look unusual to me. What do you think - someone playing games?



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 Posted 07/19/2021  1:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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What do you think - someone playing games?

I think it's impossible to ID the motivation behind the scratches (at least for me), but their depth makes me think they aren't completely accidental.

If you are considering purchasing the coin, I would recommend against it. There are plenty of non-damaged Monroe Doctrine half dollars out there to choose from - a nicer one can be found without much effort.


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 Posted 07/19/2021  1:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bump111 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, @Commems. No, not looking to purchase, just wondering about those scratches. They looked purposeful - going through the date and certain parts of the legend.

For a second, I was considering that one or two of these may be the result of a die crack, but I've since determined them to be incuse based on lighting. This coin is up for auction on Wednesday and I will not be bidding.

Have you ever heard of die cracks on any of these classic commemoratives?
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 Posted 07/19/2021  1:51 pm  Show Profile   Check BigSilver's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BigSilver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
maybe staples from 2X2 removal.
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 Posted 07/19/2021  2:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add keith12 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Look like scratches to me
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 Posted 07/19/2021  2:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The staple scratch theory is a good one.
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 Posted 07/19/2021  3:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Have you ever heard of die cracks on any of these classic commemoratives?

Yes, a number of the classic-era issues are known to have die cracks. Here's one example:



Die cracks are visible on the reverse of my Isabella, running through the tops of the letters beginning with the in "D" in "BOARD" and running through the "G" in "MANAGERS".

I've also seen die cracks on the reverse of the 1920 Pilgrim Tercentenary.


Regarding the source of the scratches on the 1923 Monroe half dollar you posted, a staple scratch is certainly a possibility though it wouldn't be my first guess. I've personally never seen a confirmed staple scratch that is as deep as what is seen on the coin presented.



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 Posted 07/19/2021  5:20 pm  Show Profile   Check chafemasterj's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add chafemasterj to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I must say though that it's a really cool looking coin. I particularly like the reverse. I've never seen that particular commemorative before.
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 Posted 07/19/2021  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Those are scratches and not mint issued defects. Steer away from this example as there are plenty of nice problem free Monroe to choose from.
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 Posted 07/19/2021  9:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldfordman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These are intentional looking. I would not be bidding unless it is going dirt cheap.
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 Posted 07/19/2021  10:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I particularly like the reverse. I've never seen that particular commemorative before.

Why does she have a plumb bob in her hand?
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 Posted 07/19/2021  11:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Beefer518 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
^ It's a spindle
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 Posted 07/20/2021  09:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Why does she have a plumb bob in her hand?

To get the scoop on the coin's design, check out:

- Queen Isabella Quarter - Coins with Hands Thread




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Of course I defer to commems' expertise here, but it sure looks like a plumb bob to me.
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 Posted 07/20/2021  12:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldfordman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It does look like a plumb bob. Maybe she is looking for a well?
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 Posted 07/22/2021  08:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bump111 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Appreciate the replies. Now I will be interested to find other die anomalies on this series. There were a few designs with appreciable mintage figures, so opportunity for tired dies.
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