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1859 Brass , Wishful Thinking Or ?

 
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 Posted 07/20/2021  8:42 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Bigal12 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Any thoughts on this one
eBay item number:353580363751

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 Posted 07/20/2021  8:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a normal bronze 1859 that has been cleaned to death. It's weight is only slightly less than when minted at 4.54, but it has more than enough wear to make it weigh your 4.36. The vendor is having a pipe dream if he thinks anyone's going to bite on this ridiculous offering. It IS NOT brass!
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 Posted 07/20/2021  9:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree 100%.
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 Posted 07/20/2021  9:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To be fair, it was probably "cleaned to death" to remove a nasty case of corrosion. A process which has also turned it brassy-coloured.

So... much... pitting...
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 Posted 07/20/2021  10:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bigal12 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PC59-123 looks like .
Anybody know what Haxby pairs have been found with the brass 1859`s ?
I`ve never seen one myself .
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 Posted 07/21/2021  06:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One our our members, SPP Ottawa, has definitely proved that you cannot tell if it is brass from the colour.
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 Posted 07/21/2021  07:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, SPP, Ty, stokrooky and I did the March 2012 article/research in the CN journal on the brass '59's. Since only the brass planchets were involved, and not a specific die or timeframe, the only way to tell is an XRF. The "brass"(and I use the term rather loosely) was due to an improper alloy mix in the crucibles/vats when the molten was poured into the small ingots. The small ingots were then rolled into flat sheets where the planchets were struck out. Because some portions of the sheets were then made up of a, now, incorrect alloy mixture, some of the planchets contained much more zinc than tin, hence more like brass. For the study, we used 90% copper and more zinc than tin)as what we were looking for and found none in the 600 59's of mine that were XRF'd. About 40 or so of those we XRF'd were slightly "yellowish" due to different cleaning agents that had been used on them during their lives.

BTW, I emailed the Ebay seller and told him it wasn't brass and he removed it from auction and sent me a nice note (a note nicer than the one I sent him). I replied this AM to his email and gave him a condenced version of the study and what cleaners do to bronze to turn it "yellowish". I thanked him for removing it.
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 Posted 07/21/2021  07:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Bill, you just saved me some work.
I was getting ready to report it to eBay.
Will watch to see if he relists it.
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