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1859 Large Cent -Guess The Variety N2

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1859 large cent -guess the variety N2
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Cheers Don

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"Old" is a figure of speech and nothing more
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 Posted 07/20/2021  4:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Meandice to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is a tough one...

I guess PC59-122 Die Pair 39+G6
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Thats what I thought ---Look at the 5


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Cheers Don

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"Old" is a figure of speech and nothing more
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07/20/2021 7:42 pm
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I'm Stumped...

You are pointing to the 5 that looks like the Reverse K1 that would be paired with Obv 39a (PC59-152)
However the Obv 39a does not have a clogged "R" in VICTORIA

So this is a Die Pair 39+K1?
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correct state 1 --- it took me 4 goes to get this right and even had to be told look at the 5

PC59-125 not 152
Cheers Don

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07/20/2021 10:52 pm
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Quote:
However the Obv 39a does not have a clogged "R" in VICTORIA


Clogs are a temporary feature which can appear on any die as grease/dirt collect in the recessed areas of the die. Once the die is cleaned, the clogs no longer appear on the coins. Here is a link to the page covering clogs from Dr. Haxby's introductory article on the 1859 N9 varieties. The information on clogs is at the bottom of the page.

https://www.vickycents.com/prime-s8.html

The reason clogs are included in the catalog is because there are some dies with few clear identifying features and the clogs are very helpful in identifying those dies. Also clogs help with determining die states.

There is another marker to help differentiate obverses 39 and 39a. The A of REGINA has a broken left serif on Obverse 39, but on Obverse 39a the left serif is full.

There are a few Obverse dies with the broken left serif on the A of REGINA. 20A, 47, and 47a are some of the others with that feature.

This coin is a tough one to attribute (until you notice the 5) , because of the lack of die cracks. Early state coins are always more challenging to identify.

Here are photos of the A of REGINA on the two dies.

Obverse 39 with the broken A serif.
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Obverse 39a with the full A serif.
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07/21/2021 08:59 am
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@fourmack Right PC59-125 not 152. That was a typo...

@Phil310 Thank you for the explanation!
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