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Curious About Wexler's Listing For The Weir Farm Quarter

 
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 Posted 11/06/2021  4:20 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add My2cent to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I was just wondering about the weir farm doubled dies listed on wexler's because at one point I was told you can't have a doubled die on an area that is pressed in to the coin. That's what confuses me. Can someone please help me understand how this is possible and and how did he discover the difference between that sort of doubled die and Machine Doubling?
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11/06/2021 11:53 pm
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 Posted 11/06/2021  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Tanman2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with you, I do not believe Wexler's Weir Farm DDRs are true doubled dies. Just Machine Doubling.

I sent Wexler an email regarding these soon after they were first listed, I never got a response.
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 Posted 11/06/2021  8:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't see it on the list now?
http://doubleddie.com/719755.html
Unless I'm overlooking it?
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 Posted 11/06/2021  11:07 pm  Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Tanman2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Listed under Connecticut Coop: http://doubleddie.com/2578537.html
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 Posted 11/06/2021  11:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bumpkin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm on the fence about these myself. I can see how this could be considered VERY minor doubling due to the non shelf like appearance on the A and R, especially 002 where the "doubling" is predominately higher than the respective devices. Regardless, if this is true doubling I don't ever see it creating a premium. Nothing will ever take the place of the classes of doubling shown on Copper Lincolns IMHO.
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 Posted 11/06/2021  11:46 pm  Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Tanman2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I can see how this could be considered VERY minor doubling due to the non shelf like appearance on the A and R


The lettering is incuse, it cannot be a doubled die. A doubled die on incuse lettering would not look like this.
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 Posted 11/06/2021  11:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add My2cent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it were possible then what would it look like?
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 Posted 11/07/2021  12:01 am  Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Tanman2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In this case (single-squeeze era) incuse lettering on a true doubled die would actually be thinner as the die shifting during the hubbing would obliterate much of the initial impression.

A good example is E PLURIBUS UNUM on 2011 1c DDR-001: http://www.varietyvista.com/01e%20L...1PDDR001.htm

On older coins (multiple-squeeze era) it would look very much like Machine Doubling on typical raised lettering.

See LIBERTAS on this Swiss 5 Rappen DDO: http://crdievarieties.com/doku.php?...appensddo001
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 Posted 11/07/2021  12:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bumpkin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The lettering is incuse, it cannot be a doubled die. A doubled die on incuse lettering would not look like this.

The letters on the interior portion of this Quarter I thought were raised? The letters around the edge and close to the rim are definitely incuse. ART is raised if I am not mistaken.

EDIT: I stand totally corrected and my apologies. ART is incuse. I just pulled out one of these same Quarters and now see it is incuse. I will stick to my Lincolns and Jeffersons..... LOL. I am not a Quarter collector, I was wrong
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I will stick to my Lincolns and Jeffersons..... LOL. I am not a Quarter collector, I was wrong


Hey, no worries. It's hard to tell if something is raised or incuse just from one super-close image. You really just have to see it in person to know.
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 Posted 11/07/2021  09:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add My2cent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I I had no idea that there was a 2011 one cent listing that is similar to this situation. Thank you for letting me know I will have to take a look at it. The reason I asked in the first place is because I have coins it display similar characteristics but I'm sure most all those are just Machine Doubling or something like that
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