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2015 Shield Cent Cud

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 Posted 11/24/2021  11:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't do facebook at all. I don't know what goes on there. Can you re-post some of that information here - better yet, can you ask Mike to visit this topic and make a statement for all of us to see, here on CCF?
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 Posted 11/24/2021  2:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gorham_collector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Haven't forgotten about you mike has responded I'm waiting for a little more info from him and I'll post the images here for you when that time comes .
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 Posted 11/24/2021  3:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gorham_collector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's his response I asked to make sure that it indeed is still considered by him we'll see.
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 Posted 11/24/2021  8:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gorham_collector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Mikes understanding of it its still a cud. I'll say an early die stage of the cud which is connected to the rim which in turn is pretty neat actually.
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 Posted 11/24/2021  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is my understanding that if a die break contacts the design rim directly, it is considered a cud. There are two types of cuds: (1) those that replace the design rim (carry off the die's rim gutter) and (2) those that do not replace the design rim (meaning the rim gutter is intact).
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 Posted 11/24/2021  8:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Mike, I learned something new today.
Just when you think you have an understanding of CUDS, this changes the game.

@gorham_collector: I concede, I truly didn't believe that this (your coin) was a cud.

Thanks for posting it.
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 Posted 11/24/2021  8:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gorham_collector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks again mike
It's alright Dearborn I learned something I started questioning once people kept saying die chip so I took a closer look it's what collecting is all about
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 Posted 11/24/2021  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All definitions of cuds say it is a die break that extends from the rim into the field. None of the definitions get into whether the design rim needs to be replaced in order to qualify as a cud. So I have to cast as wide a net as possible when deciding whether a particular die break is a cud. Like everyone else, I'm stuck with the terminology and definitions that my predecessors came up with.
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 Posted 11/24/2021  11:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I bow to Mike's expertises, but this is akin to a rare duck that looks like a duck, sounds like a duck but officially it's considered a cow. If this was placed on eBay as a Cud, you better be ready to accept returns.

Mike, thank you as always for the education.
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 Posted 12/11/2021  4:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pete2226 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have tried to illustrate what I think Mike is saying.
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 Posted 12/11/2021  7:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So this one is a die cud, before it is a rim cud?
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 Posted 12/11/2021  7:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gorham_collector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Die cud before it's a rim cud? A rim cud is different then a "die cud". Imo I haven't heard those terms. Anyways the rim cud starts at the end of the rim and goes into the coin the original cud I posted is an early die stage of this cud below. Which is just a cud it's not a rim cud and wouldn't be considered one.
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 Posted 12/11/2021  8:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The term "die cud" is not used by hobby authorities. All cuds are on the die, so the term "die cud" is redundant. Perhaps some people use it in contrast to "collar cud", but that too is unnecessary. A rim cud can progress to a full cud, but this is by no means inevitable. And not all cuds carry off the entire rim gutter, instead limiting themselves to the internal margin of the rim gutter. The latest photo by gorham_collector shows a proper cud, trivial as it may be in size.
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