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Fabricated 25c Canadian Error, Cracked This Out Of A CCCS Hard Slab

 
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 Posted 01/02/2022  3:02 pm Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

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"Buy the coin, not the holder."


Just an example that just because it is in a hard slab of a third party grader, does not make it legit, or correct. I bought this in June of 2019, in a CCCS hard slab. After struggling to examine the coin properly, I cracked it out. As soon as I saw the shape of this, I knew right away it was a fabricated error.

I showed this coin to Mike Diamond, error expert and writer for Coin World, and who is also one of the best guys out there for identifying soft die fakes. He validated my suspicions with this coin. After it left the mint, the reverse was struck by a partial fake die while the obverse rested on a featureless surface.

I don't fault the seller of this coin, it was in a CCCS holder after all. What sucks is there is no recourse with any Canadian Third Party Grader (unlike PCGS or NGC). There is a good reason why those US grading companies charge a high fee to verify, attribrute and grade errors - they send them out to error experts. And, if one of their coins is later determined to be not legitimate, they will refund the collector. I only wish CCCS would do the same...






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 Posted 01/02/2022  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't see CCCS graded coins very often for sale or otherwise. It's not even a good fabrication.
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 Posted 01/02/2022  6:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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There is a good reason why those US grading companies charge a high fee to verify, attribrute and grade errors - they send them out to error experts.



I have been reading a lot from the PCGS website. Can you show me where they say they send errors out to an expert? Just curious. B/c they have a demonstrably terrible track record concerning breaking their own rules about what constitutes a No FG Kennedy half.

I have also been told on CCF by people who collect slabs and like the TPGs that the companies have a terrible record for attributing errors and varieties correctly (except of course for the big ones like a 55 DDO cent).

Another thing to look into is the touted PCGS guarantee. The wording is great, but careful reading shows that in reality the company comes out ahead instead of the person who submitted the coin. The exception is if PCGS slabs/grades a fake coin.
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 Posted 01/02/2022  7:29 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Can you show me where they say they send errors out to an expert?


No, but pretty much everyone knows that the errors went to Fred Weinberg for attribution (except maybe for the easy stuff). Fred has recently retired, and now the more complex PCGS error submissions will go to Jon Sullivan (Fred himself has stated so).

I suspect part of the reason for vague attributions is the character limit afforded to the description on the slab label.
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 Posted 01/04/2022  08:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darryldarryl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow !!!
I will be the first to admit that once in awhile you can be fooled by these Soft Die fakes however someone must have been in LaLa land when they put this one in the Holder.
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Based on the ID Number, it seems that this coin has been graded long time ago. I assume that that the ID is sequential.

I guess CCCS is more knowledgeable today.

But all of us know that investigating coin error might be complex sometime. So we always need to be suspicious.
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 Posted 01/05/2022  6:31 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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But all of us know that investigating coin error might be complex sometime. So we always need to be suspicious.


I would prefer the morale of the story be, "If you don't know what it is, don't stake your company's reputation on it. Reach out and ask for help."
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