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 Posted 01/28/2022  5:37 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Sammeli to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Looking for a copy of jack griffins book on die and varieties of large cents published in 1992 .

Does anyone knows-where I can get a copy of his book . I've tried abebooks and Amazon with no luck

Thanks in advance
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 Posted 01/28/2022  9:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmm not currently in Kolbe & Fanning's stock either.
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 Posted 01/30/2022  2:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First, you need the actual title (and ISBN if available)

https://www.google.com/books/editio...FdNrHAAACAAJ

Some Die Varieties of the Large Cents of British North America and Canada
By Jack Griffin 1992

Google shopping will show you if there are any obvious places to buy. Nada

Follow the WorldCat link to check libraries...

http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/63085763

Unfortunately, doesn't seem to be in any of the known libraries either...

It does look like there's an (old) pointer to the book's distributor if you search for them on the PCGS site.
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 Posted 02/05/2022  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Seems like a small booklet that has become quite difficult to locate. Here are a few good threads in other forums I came across while looking for you. Sorry my library is extremely weak in Canadian coinage books.

Each has some information pertaining to Griffin's book.

From a CoinTalk thread (lots of other good info in the thread itself - link below):


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Yes, you can look in the old Zoell books/pamphlets and they would have them and the photography would be correct and individually numbered. You can also go to Jack Griffin's 1992 book, "Some die varieties of the large cents of British North America and Canada" and use his extensive reference guide and numbering system. The originals are hard to find, but Charlton reprinted it after Jack died under the same title, but also as Monograph 1. There are no real "names" for 98% of all the varieties, but Charlton numbers, like DP#'s 1-5 for the 1859's, micro D, the '82 Obverse anomalies, as well as a few others, are in use. Most of any actual "names" for the varieties came from common usage over the years on coin and web sites, or research material. If you look at pages 266-268 you will find Griffin, Zoell, or Turner numbers for most the 40 varieties that we put in the book and had already been published somewhere. Those ID'd by Griffin # are correct by Griffin description in the original work. We wrote the Charlton variety section before we proofed the Charlton Griffin reprint. However, you must be VERY CAREFUL when using the photos. Jack's original work had no photos, only descriptions that were first, and foremost, based on date spacing and then describing any other anomalies. Photos were taken by Brian Cornwell (who ran/runs ICCS) and the photos were put away for safe-keeping as Jack's work carried on. Bill Cross, who ran/owned Charlton's had promised Jack that he would republish his works, along with photos, if the photos were still available. Somewhere along the line, there was a disconnect and the wrong photos were attached to the original, correct descriptions and Griffin ID numbering system. The photos will picture a valid variety, but the written description does not match the picture. DO NOT ever use the photos in the Charlton reprint as your Griffin numbered ID. Three of us collectors that wrote the 2011 Charlton variety section went through the reprint and noted all the errors that we found that involved the photo/description mismatches and they are at Charlton (and have been for over 5 years). We found an error rate that approached 40%, with some of the dates way over 50% incorrect. Again, DO NOT use the Charlton reprint as a reference if you are using the photos in the book.
Cited from: https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ca...h-x2.279176/


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In addition to the suggestions above, you can try to find the old Hans Zoell pamphlets/books from the mid-60's to the early 70's. I would start with the 4th iteration from the 60's .. that's when he started separating Major from Minor varieties. His Major Varieties are what we consider now to be varieties. His Minor Varieties are almost all errors.

And if you are just interested in large cents, try to find Jack Griffin's "Some Die Varieties of the large cents of British North America and Canada(1992) which was THE required text for Canadian large cents before Charlton started with their variety sections. The original is hard to find. The original was republished, after Jack's death, by Charlton under the same name and as "2nd edition" Monograph 1. DO NOT use this Charlton reprint Monograph 1 as a way to visually find your varieties. You can use the verbiage and the numbering system, but a very large percentage of the descriptions are married to the wrong photos. If you start using the photos in Monograph 1, you will led way off the beaten path. The mismatches are especially prevalent for 1859, 1881, 1886, 1887, 1888, 1893, 1895 and later, but there are mismatches for every date and type of variety.
Cited from: https://www.coinsandcanada.com/foru...c.php?t=7141

Also this seems to be quoted as excellent articles and photos on the 1859 cent varieties.
https://www.vickycents.com/articles.html
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 Posted 02/05/2022  9:45 pm  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd also add that you should write emails to:

David Fanning
Charles Davis
Bryce Brown
Richard Stockley
Alan David Workman
Douglas Saville


Also don't forget to make a saved search to be notified on eBay (I've got some incredible deals by using that method in the past).

All of the above have found books for me in the past and most keep a want list which they will work for you. If you need any of their email addresses just drop me a PM and I'd be happy to let you have them. Though they should all be easy enough to find from Google searching. Just because a book isn't on their websites doesn't mean they don't have a copy or know where to get one fast. The last two tough books I got by just asking David Fanning about them and had answers back the next day, that he had both in hand and we made a deal. You never know.


Also don't over look older large used book shops with big inventories, like:

Second Story Books https://www.secondstorybooks.com

Bolerium Books https://www.bolerium.com

Tiber Books https://www.tiberbooks.com/

I've purchased from all of the above and am quite happy with books I've gotten at very fair prices that couldn't be found elsewhere. Being out of the coin/numismatic world helps in some more esoteric books and less traffic and competition for rare volumes.
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See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440
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 Posted 02/05/2022  10:08 pm  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've found 2 copies but not for sale only to loan through the Royal Canadian Numismatic Association https://www.rcna.ca/library.php So if you are a member then there is a fine way to get them for a bit and the book is only 82 pages so not a big copy or scan job.

The ANA library has a couple of other books by Jack Griffin but not the exact title you are looking for. Since the book Jack put out has no photos consider making photocopies if you can get the RCNA copy. I did that on a book from the ANA 1973-1873 by Harry X. Boosel until I finally was able to purchase a copy several years later. (I just came across my photocopied pages I had in a plastic binder) I'll continue using that copy as I write notes in it to keep my original old book edition pristine.

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 Posted 02/06/2022  08:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sammeli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you westcoin. I will try joining the RCNA and see if a can get info through them. On a foot note Just found out that the offices are just around the corner from me
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 Posted 02/06/2022  1:53 pm  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's awesome Sammeli, I found joining the ANA was one of the best things I ever did for my collecting. As a life member I kept getting the monthly magazines that kept me interested when I wasn't into coins for periods of time, like college and during parts of my career, getting it every month kept coins in my mind, once I found out how the lending library worked my collecting changed so much with books I could read yet not afford. I also lived in the early days of my collecting history and during college, very near the ANA headquarters, which allowed me to borrow books without spending money on postage. Hope that works out for you with the RCNA.
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See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440
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 Posted 02/06/2022  10:06 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These were printed by Charlton Press from 1992 from 2010. Note that there are severe issues with Monograph #1. See here: http://goccf.com/t/346680

Monograph 1 was published in two editions, the first in 1992 and the second in 2010.

I have three of his Monographs:

"Some Die Varieties of the Large Cents of British North America and Canada" Monograph 1 1858-1936. 2nd Edition 2010 ISBN 978-0-88968-331-0
"Dominion of Canada Die Varieties of Edward VII and George V Large Cents" Monograph 3 1902-1920. 2006 ISBN No. 0-88968-311-5
"Newfoundland and British North America Die Varieties of Cents and Half Cents" Monograph 4 1861-1936. 2007 ISBN No. 0-88968-313-1

Hopefully, this information helps with your search. Sometimes you do see them in auctions:
http://auctions.gbellauctions.com/D...da_i27158544

If you are a member of the RCNA, chances are you can borrow them from the RCNA Library.
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