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1853 1 Dollar Non-Genuine Coin

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Here is the other counterfeit 1 dollar gold coin. Just like the other one I have, I paid nothing due to the other stuff I had purchased. I'm 99 percent sure it's bad but I want to hear what you guys think. The detail is a little weak, Liberty is barely visible, the color is more like rose gold and whatever else you can find wrong. The weight is 1.66 grams and the diameter is 13.66mm. I'm thinking more like a jewelers copy. The coins fields are a little mottled. It's like fine pimples. It looks like there are two die cracks. One across her head and the other across her neck. Probably from the casting. Thanks for your input.
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This one looks counterfeit for sure. Kinda neat how there are major die cracks on the obverse. Maybe this was a struck counterfeit. Not entirely sure.

Not a bad fake though...
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Clueless about this. Weight seems close. Anxious to learn from the experts.
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... Anxious to learn from the experts.

Me too!

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This one looks counterfeit for sure. Kinda neat how there are major die cracks on the obverse. Maybe this was a struck counterfeit. Not entirely sure.

Not a bad fake though...

Hi jacrispies, what indicators are you seeing?


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U.S. gold coins of all denominations and dates (even the common ones), have been counterfeited or copied.

The smaller size gold coins were often copied in good quality gold, to be used in jewelry.
Thus, this example could very well be a jeweler's copy.
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I don't see any flaws in this coin. The coin looks real (to me). The only thing that confuses me is that the coin looks too perfect.
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I guess I should have done this in the first place. Here is a side by side comparison. The stars are different, the Liberty is non-existent, mouth looks a little different, the olives are not attached to the branch, the colors are off (looks like rose gold) and the reverse denticles are non-existent too.


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The fake has an overbite.
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That's what I did, I compared them side by side. Thanks for adding the comparison photo mds308. The details are off, the strike is mushy, typical counterfeit look. I also noticed how the reverse has no denticles, like what mds308 said.
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I'm with a jewelry copy, vs. a numismatic deception. The fake coin would look fine on a necklace or bracelet. Unless you're proposing marriage, you shouldn't be that close to the neckline anyway.
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Unless you're proposing marriage, you shouldn't be that close to the neckline anyway.


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