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1853 1 Dollar Non-Genuine Coin

 
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 Posted 01/28/2022  8:36 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mds308 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Here is the other counterfeit 1 dollar gold coin. Just like the other one I have, I paid nothing due to the other stuff I had purchased. I'm 99 percent sure it's bad but I want to hear what you guys think. The detail is a little weak, Liberty is barely visible, the color is more like rose gold and whatever else you can find wrong. The weight is 1.66 grams and the diameter is 13.66mm. I'm thinking more like a jewelers copy. The coins fields are a little mottled. It's like fine pimples. It looks like there are two die cracks. One across her head and the other across her neck. Probably from the casting. Thanks for your input.



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 Posted 01/28/2022  10:06 pm  Show Profile   Check jacrispies's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This one looks counterfeit for sure. Kinda neat how there are major die cracks on the obverse. Maybe this was a struck counterfeit. Not entirely sure.

Not a bad fake though...
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 Posted 01/28/2022  10:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Clueless about this. Weight seems close. Anxious to learn from the experts.
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 Posted 01/29/2022  12:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coaster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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... Anxious to learn from the experts.

Me too!

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This one looks counterfeit for sure. Kinda neat how there are major die cracks on the obverse. Maybe this was a struck counterfeit. Not entirely sure.

Not a bad fake though...

Hi jacrispies, what indicators are you seeing?


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 Posted 01/29/2022  02:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
U.S. gold coins of all denominations and dates (even the common ones), have been counterfeited or copied.

The smaller size gold coins were often copied in good quality gold, to be used in jewelry.
Thus, this example could very well be a jeweler's copy.
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 Posted 01/29/2022  07:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slerk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't see any flaws in this coin. The coin looks real (to me). The only thing that confuses me is that the coin looks too perfect.
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 Posted 01/29/2022  08:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mds308 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I guess I should have done this in the first place. Here is a side by side comparison. The stars are different, the Liberty is non-existent, mouth looks a little different, the olives are not attached to the branch, the colors are off (looks like rose gold) and the reverse denticles are non-existent too.



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 Posted 02/01/2022  10:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rocky7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The fake has an overbite.
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 Posted 02/01/2022  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Check jacrispies's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's what I did, I compared them side by side. Thanks for adding the comparison photo mds308. The details are off, the strike is mushy, typical counterfeit look. I also noticed how the reverse has no denticles, like what mds308 said.
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 Posted 02/01/2022  8:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm with a jewelry copy, vs. a numismatic deception. The fake coin would look fine on a necklace or bracelet. Unless you're proposing marriage, you shouldn't be that close to the neckline anyway.
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 Posted 02/04/2022  11:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mds308 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Unless you're proposing marriage, you shouldn't be that close to the neckline anyway.


What if you're a Numisvamptic ?
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