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1911 China Empire Silver Dollar Dragon Coin. Thoughts?

 
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 Posted 07/02/2022  4:29 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add lawker1909 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
My uncle was a coin collector, who worked in a coin shop in town, as he knew a lot about coins, mainly early copper. I have also been a coin collector of US dollars since 1982, ( I'm 68 now ), but have limited knowledge on coins of China. When my uncle passed away, among all his coins, we found this one. Many things make me believe it could be real, but there are a few things that make me doubt. So, I present it to you members to see what you think and why.

Please explain why your opinion. Thank you.


1911 China Empire Silver Dollar Dragon Coin Y-31 L&M-37 Extra Flame, No dot.
Weight: 26.8grams
Diameter: 39mm

Here are the images for you to decide..











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 Posted 07/02/2022  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@law, first welcome to CCF. Second, if this has been in your possession for decades, then I'm less concerned about a modern counterfeit. As a first step, I would perform a specific gravity test to see if it is silver.
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 Posted 07/02/2022  6:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add captainmandrake1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks good to me! Nice coin and doesn't appear to be a fake.
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 Posted 07/02/2022  8:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numister to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Have bought and seen fakes of these type. And the fakes are really good, they also tend to have the similar dirt / stain patterns as the 1st 2 pics.
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 Posted 07/02/2022  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add captainmandrake1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are indeed lots of fakes.
Here are some examples of an ebay seller who's been selling fake Chinese coins for some time with impunity:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1253797485...ECIFICS_AVIP
https://www.ebay.com/itm/275357584547
Excellent fakes (and way underpriced if they were authentic), but they tend not to have the natural nicks that happens to coins that have circulate and they have a minty freshness so they look like they were made yesterday (and indeed they might have been!).
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 Posted 07/02/2022  9:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numister to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sort of agree on the nicks but nicks can be easily added.
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 Posted 07/02/2022  9:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slerk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm always afraid of Chinese coins. Recently, their prices have been rising. I do not know why, perhaps because there are many more Chinese collectors than anyone else. I have no knowledge of confirmations or refutations of authenticity.
They all seem to me to be fakes. I'm not talking about Tibetan coins anymore, it's just darkness. Tibetan silver is something incomprehensible, the coinage there is not at the highest level, and what you consider a fake may turn out to be genuine, and vice versa.
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 Posted 07/02/2022  11:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add captainmandrake1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If I was a rich man, I wouldn't dibby dubby dum...I'd collect Chinese classic coins! ; )

160K realized for Dragon & Phoenix
20-30K expected for Ci Xi fantasy.


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 Posted 07/03/2022  12:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My usual is to weigh & measure to compare to the standard. Study it under magnification and then check if it has has diamagnetic properties.
If it does not, it is suspect and I go down the fake route on my worksheet.
If it does, then I check SG and go down the possible genuine route.
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