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Need Grading Comments On 1980 Australian 50 Cent Double Bar

 
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 Posted 08/15/2022  11:10 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Allcoinage to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Any comments with grades of these 2 coins would be appreciated.






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 Posted 08/15/2022  11:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Allcoinage to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These need a clean up thou but petrol and match won't do lol.im joking just say what yous think.
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 Posted 08/15/2022  11:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ttkoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll leave the grading to others at this stage, but I still keep seeing alluvial flour gold on the table-top.
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 Posted 08/16/2022  12:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Allcoinage to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh yes speckled gold
Uploading UK crown and new Zealand crown on other thread with nz 20 cent take a look.
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 Posted 08/16/2022  5:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add David Graham to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm going to have a go and say XF on detail but dropped to a VF given the multiple large scratches. I haven't graded coins before so will be interested to see what the experienced graders come up with.
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Yes I agree
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 Posted 08/16/2022  11:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Basil to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I'm going to have a go and say XF on detail but dropped to a VF given the multiple large scratches.


Yes,close,once the King/Queen's face is marked,even from the 3-B's,bin/bucket/bag,the grading,and value,drops away considerably on high mintage years because there are always plenty of better egs.
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 Posted 08/17/2022  05:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The top one doesn't look like a double-bar to me.
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 Posted 08/17/2022  9:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add David Graham to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The top one doesn't look like a double-bar to me.


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The top one doesn't look like a double-bar to me.

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 Posted 08/19/2022  5:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add David Graham to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Yes,close,once the King/Queen's face is marked,even from the 3-B's,bin/bucket/bag,the grading,and value,drops away considerably on high mintage years because there are always plenty of better egs.

That seems crazy. I always thought mintage affected value but not grading with grading being based on physical attributes only. Does that mean that when a bunch of older coins are discovered then the pre-existing gradings for each specimen are redundant and have to be revised?
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 Posted 08/19/2022  6:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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That seems crazy. I always thought mintage affected value but not grading with grading being based on physical attributes only.

Ideally, you are correct; it should. However, there is a tendency - and the American TPGs openly affirm this is the case - that rarer coins are graded more generously than commoner coins, even within the same series.

It's called "market grading".

It doesn't tend to have much effect in terms of actually changing grades, because it's rare for giant hoards of identical coins - hoards large enough to skew the relative rarity within the hoarded series - to be discovered and brought onto the market.
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 Posted 08/19/2022  8:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Basil to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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It's called "market grading".


Thanks Sap.
Yes,with the rarer low mintage Coins it can/may be called Bag/Bin marks and this is taken into account when grading.
With high mintage years they don't bother as there are thousands,if not ten of thousands, of better egs out there.
With high mintage years if there are marks on the King/Queen's face,for eg,the Coin is downgraded accordingly,how they got there is not important for Dealers/Graders.
That's how it was explained to me over the years anyway.
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