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Can You Confirm My Ability To Spot A Fake 1908-S Indian Cent?

 
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Canada
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 Posted 08/16/2022  03:33 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add recollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
im new to this but I believe I have identified an important tell for knowing a fake Indian Head cent 1908-S
Can you confirm all of the following except the last 2 are fakes? And what I think is that 2 different halves of 2 different pennies were glued together. and you will notice that no one shows the coin from the side. In fact, I thnk most listings are fake for this coin on ebay.
And how convenient that the slabbed coins check out but have no image.
1.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/3850534730...9SR96w9dfUYA

2.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2951512903...9SR96w9dfUYA

3.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/314102840311

4.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1551095328...9SR96w9dfUYA

5.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/3639432701...9SR96w9dfUYA

6.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2658240560...9SR-Cw9dfUYA

7.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/3540108472...9SR-Cw9dfUYA

I can go on.

7.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2556696170...9SR-Cw9dfUYA

8.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2656396893...9SR-Cw9dfUYA



These last 2 I think are real.

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United States
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 Posted 08/16/2022  04:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lcutler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't see anything to indicate any of these coins are fakes, what are you seeing that makes you think they are?
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 Posted 08/16/2022  07:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Are you saying you think they used the reverse of a 1909-S IHC, which is even more valuable, to make a fake 1908-S cent? Doesn't seem likely. Not sure what you see that suggests a counterfeit. If you're looking at mintmark position, there were 8 reverse dies used in San Francisco that year, so the S position varied.
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Australia
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 Posted 08/16/2022  08:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I really like to examine each coin raw, in hand under ideal point source lighting conditions, with a 10x loupe
just as the TPGraders do.

Can't do that if they are slabbed, and you wish to confirm weight or have XRF tested. If slabbed, the best you can do is a visual inspection to make your own confirmation that the grader was right.

Much harder for us to decide if fake or not, from on screen pictures.
Very difficult to photograph edges of coins that are slabbed.

Highest level of trust for slabs are for coins that were submitted by the top level numismatic auction houses, such as Heritage.
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 Posted 08/16/2022  09:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nothing evidently wrong about any of them to my eye.
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 Posted 08/16/2022  09:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add recollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
<<8 reverse dies used in San Francisco that year
@Zurie, thank you, that might explain it, now, where can I find a list of these 8 varieties?
Do you think this attached one in the photo is real and if so, which variety and grade would it be? I was also looking at the bottom of the ribbon to the left of the S and noticed a difference in addition to the position of the S itself. Would a change in variety only affect the position of the mint mark or could other things change also?

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 Posted 08/16/2022  11:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unless there was a change to the master hub used, the only difference would be in the mint mark position, since it was punched into each working die separately after hubbing from the main design.
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 Posted 08/16/2022  12:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lcutler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There can be minor differences from die to die due to die wear, die clashes, die lapping and polishing, and how sharply the die was made originally.
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