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Indian Head Mark's- Is This Whizzing? (1903 Cent)

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 Posted 10/02/2022  04:03 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add divesww to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Attached is a link of a 1993 Indian Head cent image that I just got.
Can anybody tell me if these are natural marks or some sort of alteration marks such as whizzing?
Thanks

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 Posted 10/02/2022  04:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

I am not a pro but that looks like natural metal flow lines to me. Let's wait for a pro or two to chime in.
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 Posted 10/02/2022  04:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1buff2many to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First to the CCF.
They are natural metal flow lines, they are often seen radiating outward toward the rim of the coin and become more pronounced as the die used for striking deteriorates over time from use. You probably meant 1893 for the date and it is a nice close up picture of the effect.
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 Posted 10/02/2022  05:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add divesww to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the input. It is a 1903. I'll see is I can post a pic of the whole coin (I'm new).

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 Posted 10/02/2022  07:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply




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 Posted 10/02/2022  07:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cool flow lines, yes.
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 Posted 10/02/2022  08:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aref to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gorgeous. Love it.

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 Posted 10/02/2022  08:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a high-grade coin, what does the other side look like?
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 Posted 10/02/2022  11:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add divesww to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all. I'm new to Indian Head collecting. I would never have imagined there was so much to learn. I've bought a few coins off ebay and was worried I'd made a mistake with all the alteration gimmicks out there. Hard to imagine these coins can look so good naturally after 100+ years. John1, I've attached the reverse pic and a more up close pic of the front in case anyone would care to venture a grade estimate and let me know if it's worth slabbing. 1buff2many, why did you think it was a 1893? Some of my other coins have the same type flow lines but none as vivid as these. Maybe that's why its stayed in such nice shape.



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 Posted 10/02/2022  12:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not whizzed, nice original coin. MS-64RB.
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 Posted 10/02/2022  1:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i dont slab coins so i'll put that out first. there is really no reason to spend that kind of $$ if you are a collector

most collectors agree in order to justify the costs of slabbing ($40-45 at PCGS or NGC, less for ANACS) the coin should be at least $150

if you are planning on selling the coin then it may be ok to slab it. if you are keeping it just buy some air tights to protect the coin.

i think the coin grades MS64 if the color comes back as RB maybe $120 retail. recently I've seen new folks wanting to immediately slab a coin. if you dont mind answering that I'm always wondering why? is it because you see coins for sale that are slabbed or that you heard they are worth more or?
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Hi Panzaldi and thanks to you and others for your inputs. My interest for slabbing my newly purchased coins is that I'm uncertain as to their value and I would like some affirmation of worth on what I've speculated on. Now that I've found this forum and have access to experts that can provide that affirmation, there is no need to slab them. Is this the right/best forum topic to post coins I'd like grade opinions on?
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 Posted 10/02/2022  2:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Is this the right/best forum topic to post coins I'd like grade opinions on?

Depends on coin and date.
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 Posted 10/02/2022  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roma2021 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The question of slabbing is interesting; I am a relatively new collector - approx. 2 years - and I have absolutely no interest in slabbing anything. I know this is cliche, but there is something about holding a coin in your hand that's been circulated for 50, 100, 150, 500, 700, etc. years. I don't know. Maybe newer collectors are interested, but I collect what I like and what I find in Rome. ...
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 Posted 10/02/2022  2:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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is something about holding a coin in your hand that's been circulated for 50, 100, 150, 500, 700, etc. years.


and just one reason why I dont slab.

there are two forums for US coinage for grading. this one for classic coins and US Modern Coin Grading for more current issues. look at the description on them when you click "coin forum" link on the left
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