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1909 S Indian Head Cent Counterfeit - Cast Fake

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This one looks pretty twitchy in the photos, but in hand it's actually fairly decent looking and not immediately spotted as a counterfeit.

1909 Indian Head cent counterfeit - cast fake


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Wow! I'm growing leerier of ever buying a rare coin raw. I also worry about counterfeit slabs! I'll just stick to errors... at least I can usually tell the real mint error from a garage job.
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@tb, can you please add the weight of this piece to the thread? Thx.
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Bit crude but very convincing indeed.
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Well that one would fool me .
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Thanks for sharing. Is there a single device/issue you can point to, or just the overall presentation of the coin. I see a # of things that don't look right, but could otherwise be chalked up to wear/damage. What do your eyes see?
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I should be happy I acquired mine in an NGC slab from a fellow CCF member, even though I freed it for my album.
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I would have expected a little more of a crude coin for a copper cast fake . That said , could have fooled a newbie .
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Somewhat accurate fake - its nice to know that education and experience remain the best defense against getting burned by one of these.
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It is a well made fake for sure.
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A lot of the stuff I see is pretty bad so I don't post it. But when I get half decent examples I think it is useful to post them to put out there what they look like and what coins have been counterfeited. Which based on my collection is just about anything at this point.
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better looking fake....
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this one would have fooled me at a glance.
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The lack of sharpness for the apparent grade stands out, and of course the absence of diamonds on the ribbon.
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My eyes were drawn to the abnormal qualities of the legend.
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Very indistinct Liberty head band.
Very indistinct edge denticles, especially above 'STATES'.
Rough 'CA' next to date.
Lib's effigy and shield have a kid's plasticine look about them.
Variation from standard weight should confirm fake.

The best way to learn about fakes is to learn and be familiar with what they look like, therefore
thanks for posting these pictures.

It helps a learner to build a decent 'black' collection of fake coins, provided that they are sold as fakes. I have been around fake ancient coins of their various types and methods of manufacture, for more decades than I am prepared to admit.
To my eye, this coin immediately screamed 'fake !'

Unfortunately it may have fooled some, and if it had been in a fake slab, it could have fooled even more. The slab would have to be broken to investigate the coin.
That is one of the reasons why I am not really a fan of slabs.

A good essential reference for fake coins:
NUMISMATIC FORGERY by Charles M. Larson C/- publ. 2004 Zyrus Press.
endorsed by no less than Ken Bressett Past President of ANA
This book shows how to identify all types of fake coins by their methods of manufacture.
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