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Removing Verdigris From A Postumus Antoninianus

 
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 Posted 02/03/2023  1:26 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add erafjel to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
So, I am not in the habit of cleaning coins, but the verdigris on this one worried me enough to make an exception. A large blue-green blob, and several smaller, on a billon coin that is mostly copper. Not only does it deteriorate the general impression of the coin, I also suspect it would spread and possibly ultimately destroy the coin. So I decided to try a treatment with sodium sesquicarbonate, and document what happened.

This is what the coin looked like when I got it. It is a Roman antoninianus by Postumus, reverse showing Neptune, issued 262 AD. Nominally 20 % silver. It fills a hole in my Postumus collection, and I acquired it because I could see that beneath the verdigris, it is pretty well preserved.

Original condition:



A close up of the worst area shows what we are dealing with:



I made a sodium sesquicarbonate solution by mixing 10.6 g of sodium carbonate (washing soda) and 8.4 g of sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) dissolved in 100 ml of water. It should be distilled water, but I decided Swedish tap water was good enough (I also wanted to check if that assumption was true ). The recipe is from online, somewhere ... and nominally makes a fairly strong solution, about 15 %. There was some precipitation despite stirring and careful heating, so the actual strength would be less.

Into the solution Postumus goes, and then I wait.

After two days, the solution had a light blue color. In school chemistry classes, I learnt that a solution with copper turned blue ... so a bit worried that I might be slowly dissolving my 1760 year old coin, I take it out of the solution and put it under the loupe (showing only obverse and the "blob area"):



A close inspection and comparison with images of the original state calms my mind - it doesn't look like the coin material itself is hurt. But there is a clear effect on the verdigris, which is encouraging. So back into the sodium sesquicarbonate he dives, poor Postumus.

Four days later, that is after 6 days in the solution, this is what it looks like:



Now the verdigris is really recessing, and perhaps more interesting, the coin now looks silvery! I did not expect that, but I don't mind the effect ...

After another 6 days, all in all 12 days:



Things are certainly going on . After 6 more days, total 18 days:



It's beginning to look pretty good. Patience for another 6 days, in total 24 days in the solution and it looks like this:





Practically everything gone, one little tiny barely visible green spot left of the large blob!

I don't know what you think (tell me ), but I am much more happy with my Postumus now that I have cleaned his nose and shoulder. He has gone into an airtight capsule where he can rest among his fellow antoniniani without feeling embarassed about his condition.

So what happened to Postumus during those 24 days? Well, he lost a bit of weight, 0.05 grams to be precise, down from 3.32 g to 3.27 g. I like to calculate things, so just for fun I tried to estimate how many molecular reactions per second took place while dissolving those 0.05 g in 24 x 24 hours. The number I arrived at is a staggering 80 trillion reactions per second! (My calculation is in the footnote below.) Quite some action for a 1760 year old guy ...

Note: The precise chemical reaction is beyond my high shool chemistry knowledge, but I understand (from Wikipedia) that the blue-green gunk can in fact consist of several different chemical compounds: copper acetate, copper carbonate, copper chloride. For simplicity, assume we are dealing with copper acetate only. That has formula Cu(CH3COO)2 and molar mass 181.63 g/mol. Thus 0.05 g is 2.7x10^-4 mol, or 1.62x10^20 acetate molecules (multiplying with the Avogadro constant, 6.022×10^23). That number of molecules is then dissolved in 24x24x60x60 seconds, i.e., 2,073,600 s, which makes 7.81x10^13 dissolved every second. Round off to 80x10^12, since we have only one significant digit in the input data.
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 Posted 02/03/2023  5:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add I6609 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would say well done others may disagree . As for the math of the molecules don't even want to try and follow that it is way over my attention span
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 Posted 02/03/2023  8:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Any verdigris removed will leave a tiny pit, where it has eaten into the coin's surface.
I note that there is still a tiony faint green/blue spot remaining just behind Postumus' neck.
Continue treatment with tiny droplet of sodium sesquicarbonate solution in this area only, until all verdigris gone.

Verdigris needs only tiny amount of atmospheric moisture to continue.
It may be worth considering to make sure that the coin is completely dry, by exposing to 40 degree temperature, then spray with clear acrylic lacquer** to completely seal it from the atmosphere.

** acrylic lacquer is easily removed with acetone, if you wish to remove the air tight protection at a later date.
Note : acrylic lacquer is best for ancient coins only, which have a rougher surface than modern coins. The fields of modern coins are much too smooth, and the acrylic lacquer can partly flake off, and thus lead to blotchy patination over a period of years.

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For a postumus coin, it ain't quite dead yet.
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02/03/2023 10:02 pm
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This is very interesting. The solution has had an effect on the surface, but is that partly a result of the lighting? Also I wonder what the yellow-brown substance is, and whether it can be (carefully) scraped off?
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Sodium sesquicarbonate is one of the standard treatments used by museums for the passivation of verdigris (bronze disease).
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It may be worth considering to make sure that the coin is completely dry, by exposing to 40 degree temperature, then spray with clear acrylic lacquer to completely seal it from the atmosphere

That shall certainly be considered! Thanks for the advice.

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The solution has had an effect on the surface, but is that partly a result of the lighting? Also I wonder what the yellow-brown substance is, and whether it can be (carefully) scraped off?

Lighting is the same for all images (scanner). The yellow-brown is exposed copper, or low grade billon, that originally presumably was covered by the same silver wash that shows on the rest of the coin.
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