OK, so all those tiny little lines come in from the rim are a of the signs for a worn die? Man there's a lot when it comes to this stuff. I only do this a couple hours a week so I'm trying my best to research as much as I can before posting. I haven't ran across one that looked like this, so it made me believe I was on track but here I am again being taught something. I appreciate the feedback I'll do more research on radial flow lines. Thanks for the info Dearborn