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18?3 Indian Penny Tag?

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 Posted 05/28/2023  08:33 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Ondiwave to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hey there,
Not really sure if this is the right place but I'm going through my friends late fathers coin collection & found this. It appears to be a tag of sorts. has anyone seen this before?
18?3-Indian-Penny-Tag?
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 Posted 05/28/2023  08:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a counterstamp, pretty much reduces the coin to just a curiosity.
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It's an academic question at this point, but the feather design here was used through 1886. Since it isn't copper nickel, and the last number is a 3, it must be either 1873 or 1883. As Coinfrog stated though, only
worth a buck or two to the right person.
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 Posted 05/31/2023  08:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Given the absence of stops or periods, following the letters, I'm inclined to believe that this creation was for ethnic intent; this, as opposed to someone's initials. It may have once been a watch fob or ornament, perhaps? Why else would someone have gone to the trouble of plaining the coin's reverse?

I concur with Robbudo's estimation of value, being a few bucks.



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It's a counterstamp, pretty much reduces the coin to just a curiosity.


I'd note that counterstamps very often enhance, rather than reduce the value of host coins, tokens and banknotes. I'd point out, in this case, absent the counterstamp, a holed Indian cent with a plained-down reverse, would be worth far less than a few bucks .... The JEW c/s makes it a somewhat appealing curiosity, eh what?
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I also noted the ethnic implications and it seems very odd. Why would they not put a Star of David on it instead? Why would they tag themselves as "Jew"? I know that Zionism was gaining prominence in the very late 1800s so maybe someone knows if there's a historical connection to a counterstamp like this. I also observe that the E is quite a bit larger than the J and W so they didn't put much effort into using the same sized punches. Perhaps it's merely someone's initials after all.
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Perhaps it's merely someone's initials after all.


I'm not quick to dismiss that possibility. Primitive and awkward as the stamping is, someone put serious effort into creating this curious item; this, what with the surface planing and drilling of a tiny, neat hole. Had it been a professional job, performed by a jeweler/engraver, the stamping would have been more precise with matched letters.

While I relish the challenge of trying to identify c/s's, pieces like this typically defy attribution. That said, I still enjoy pondering the puzzle of mavericks like this one .... Might this have been made as a gag gift?
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It's 1883 if anyone was wondering.
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Thanks everybody! We also had all these thoughts. very interesting. It seems that jew is an interesting choice. I agree about the star of david. My friend was kind of taken aback because her dad was in the military, and he has an interesting collection. regarding the c/s, I guess we will never know.. or will we?! There is someone. ugh who's name I can't think of, that has a lot of counter stamp knowledge ?! I wonder if this was a "fad" of sorts in the 1800's!!

@ NumismaticsFTW I thought for sure it was 1873 lol, but so hard to tell!
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oh!! I remember, its @chafemasterj . but I think his interest is Lincoln's.
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