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1885-S VAM-1, Doubled MM Or RPM?

 
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 Posted 05/28/2023  09:21 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add 20cPR to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi all, thanks for the help in advance here. I have an 1885-S Morgan that I'm continuing to work through the attribution process for. I've posted at VAMWorld too but no luck so far. I am stumped.

The coin seems to fit the VAM-1 (normal die) designation, but I think I see a doubled MM (or a RPM). I don't see any of the pick-ups for a VAM-6 or VAM-9.

I note that the VAM-1 description notes that at least one image is "Under review for MM doubling". Could that be what this is?

I've included the PCGS TrueView along with some close in shots of the MM. I would appreciate any/all thoughts here.





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 Posted 05/28/2023  10:15 am  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How about a VAM-7?
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 Posted 05/28/2023  11:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 20cPR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi @Zurie thanks for the help and great direction! I had looked at the VAM-7, but since my coin doesn't exhibit any of the OBV markers I had rejected it. On the OBV I don't see any date doubling, nothing in LIBERTY that matches (no polishing lines in the T or Y, chips in the R, etc.). I moved past it.

On the REV of my coin however, It does share the markers for the VAM-7 REV with the die chip next to the leaves to the right of E. The image for this on VAM-7 includes some very interesting text: "Oct. 2021 this coin was attributed by LVA as 1885-S VAM-1. He commented that the die chip was too small to list so 'VAM-1'. It continues: "In reality - this is a match for the 1885-S VAM-7A save the VAM-7A has a second die chip." My reverse also shares all the other pick ups against the VAM7 REV: the die scratches to the let and right of the left talon, scratch between the neck and the right wing, etc. I don't have the die flake in the left wreath as the VAM-7A does (if I look real hard I see perhaps the faint outline/start of the lowest part of the chip but that is likely my mind playing tricks).

So, it appears that whatever I've got shares the same REV (Reverse III2-6) die as the VAM-7/7-A. but with perhaps the VAM-1 OBV (Obverse III2-1)? I don't think I have a far date (like in VAM-5, Obverse III2-5). I also check the OBV die for the VAM-10 (and 5) -- Obverse III26- if I convince myself there is very slight date doubling, can I find any of the other pick-ups? I cannot find any of the VAM-10 OBV pickups (no lines above the cotton leaf EDS --> LDS), no polishing lines in RTY (EDS --LDS), no polishing lines between the cotton boils (EDS --> LDS).

If it is a combination of the VAM-1 OBV (Obverse III2-1) and the VAM-7 REV (Rev III2-6) that might also explain the note the accompanies the REV MM comment on the VAM-1 page that the MM is "Under Review for MM doubling?"

Gulp, potentially a new VAM?
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 Posted 05/28/2023  6:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gsp193 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Shes perty! I asked on vamworld but I will ask here as well, do you have a closeup of Liberty and the date?
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 Posted 05/29/2023  11:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GMS5 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I too would like close ups so I can take a stab at this beauty of a coin.
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 Posted 06/02/2023  11:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 20cPR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Closing this out - going with a VAM-7 and Machine Doubling of the MM. I pulled together the attached summary comparison. I still don't see the date doubling, but time to tackle the next one (an 1890-O with rotated dies, thinking VAM-23, but it has a striking error too...)
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 Posted 06/02/2023  2:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gsp193 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great pics! Can see much better on these could not see so well on VW. VAM 7 it is! Sometimes the minor doubling just is not visible to me either.
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