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2 New Morgans Am I Seeing Ghosts? One Looks Fat.

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 Posted 05/22/2024  11:18 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Moniker to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
So got these 2morgans I guess midrange au.

But when I look at the obv they look different (face size), the 1880s looks chunky, is it wear or is the camera playing tricks. I have been acetoning coins
I ask so other rookies wont have to

Weight cheks out on the 80

The other is a 83-O
Switched places on last picture

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 Posted 05/22/2024  3:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fplagge to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My untrained eyes agree that there seem to be slight differences.
Have you considered that it may be because they were minted at different mints?
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They look pretty normal to me.
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Comparing one from a year to another is not going to bring exact results depending on when the master hubs were retooled.

See if you can take it to a coin shop and have a sigma test and a magnet slide test. The Chinese are getting good at weights, thicknesses etc. I admit the left one looks off to me as well. The pics though are slightly tilted in the view.

If you know how to use a graphics program, get a COINfacts photo of that same date and do an transparent overlay. These typically will show a fake.

I did this one many years ago and posted it:
http://goccf.com/t/119357
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The 1880 has the look of a lot of the Chinese fakes and seems off to me.
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Thank you, yes it seem of, it was bought from a dealer with good reputation but mistakes can be made. the chin area seems bigger. like a chunky 1921.

Here is the trueview that made me buy her I don't like those photos, atleast she was cheap. If I ever need to use a dating service I will call them adding 83 to

Might be wear that makes her look different or maybe a fake, or maybe the die variations are so large, I don't know much of the topic


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Where's the reverse?

Sorry I see it in your recent post now. I'll take a look thank you.
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Can you image a side-by-side picture of the rims?
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Possibly Dearborn but the face still looks bigger but might fool the eye.

BH like this?
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The 80-s is a better strike so possibly a tad higher relief which may alter appearance
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If you can please image the reeding, one stacked on the other.
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Here you go


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The reeding on the rims is telling a tale. I don't like the looks of the coin on the bottom. I would need to investigate further but the reeding is not what I would want to see.
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Compare that to the reeding in the pic I posted at the link above. It says a lot. This is likely an older fake since in recent years they have "corrected" the reeds not being correct. I have 3 rolls of them.
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Thanks Earle42. I'll differ to your skills at Counterfeit Detection. You've done a lot more homework than I.
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