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Fixing Restored Date Buffaloes

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 Posted 08/04/2010  2:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SDcoinguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
im breaking out the big guns, muriatic acid. I'm not sure if its going to have the same look when its done soaking. I ordered some nic-a-date as well. weerdsteev, I've emailed you a few times, not sure if you got them. PM me.
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 Posted 08/04/2010  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add weerdsteev to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Adam5 - Yes, it would work on a Jefferson nickel, as it would on a Shield nickel, V nickel and Buffalo. All nickels are created equal. However, I've never heard of the date wearing away on a Jefferson nickel...? Serious up for a minute here folks and pay attention to what I say next: Don't ever use this stuff on a coin that has a readable date. You won't enhance its appearance or improve its value - you'll just ruin it. A coin with no date has nowhere to go but up, and that's the ONLY time this stuff should ever be used.

SDcoinguy - I haven't forgotten you. I will respond.
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 Posted 08/05/2010  09:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nod2003 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey weerdsteev, I think I remember at one point there was a discussion on something that could be used to date SLQs. Do you have any knowledge about such a product?
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 Posted 08/05/2010  09:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AndrewC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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. . . it would work on a Jefferson nickel, as it would on a Shield nickel, V nickel and Buffalo.

Also on nickel three-cent pieces.
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 Posted 08/05/2010  09:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dcreek1968 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just out of curiousity, would you mind letting us know what kinds of prices you get on these finds, assuming of course that you sell some of them. I just think it's cool that coins can be resurrected, so to speak, in this manner. Going to have to try it and I won't have to "give away" my datelss Buffaloes and Liberties anymore.
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 Posted 08/05/2010  10:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dcreek1968 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
BTW, to be perfectly clear about my request for pricing, and as a reminder to all from the coin ethics standpoint, I'm assuming that when these nickels are put out "for sale" that they are clearly labeled that they are "restored date coins". I know we don't need the reminder, I just find it fascinating that you can restore dates on dateless nickels. I've seen a lot of bad restorations, if you will and it's really cool to see nice coins reincarnated if you will. One other question, does this process help the really bad Shield nickels with the dark discoloration, etc.?
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 Posted 08/05/2010  10:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add weerdsteev to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nod2003 - There has been a LOT of discussion about restoring dates on SLQ's, but to my knowledge no one has ever come up with something that is quick, easy, safe and...efficacious. Part of the problem, I think, is that SLQs are 90/10 silver to copper. If you can find a chemical that works only on the silver you'll effectively dissolve the coin. If you find a chemical that works on the copper it probably won't make a perceptible difference. Nickels are 75/25 copper to nickel which is a better ratio to work with when you're only trying to affect one of the metals. There's a guy on this forum who goes by a name something like "Biochemist6" who might offer some insight into your question. I think he once spelled out the proper ratio of chemicals to use. (And if I am mis-rembering this I TOTALLY apologize - in advance)

I have been told there used to be a product on the market in the 1960's specifically for this purpose, but I have not been able to verify if that is rumor or fact.

I have a bunch of dateless SLQ's and I might try out a little nitric acid on one of them one of these days. I did this a couple of years ago and I ended up with a 14 cent piece! Totally dissolved away the lower third of the coin! Next time I'll use a weaker concentration and not leave the coin suspended in it ALL NIGHT!

One final thought: I would suspect that even if someone comes up with the ideal chemical or chemical combination for this that the results would NEVER be as good as those that can be obtained on a nickel. I would go so far as to venture a guess that if the date can be revealed it would be so weak that the average camera would not be able to capture it adequately.
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 Posted 08/05/2010  11:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add weerdsteev to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dcreek1968. I usually get 25-30% of VG (Grey Sheet Bid) for my nicer keys and semi-keys that I sell on ebay. When I list one of my restored nickels I do not mention that it is restored in the title but I make it abundantly evident throughout the body of the listing. Here is an example: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...TRK:MESOX:IT

The process I use will generally NOT do much for that dark discoloration on Shield or any other nickels. That has to be removed via a different process first. (That discoloration is frequently corrosion)
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 Posted 08/05/2010  11:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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A coin with no date has nowhere to go but up, and that's the ONLY time this stuff should ever be used


Does that also apply to a dateless type 1 buffalo, since even though it has no date you know what the date is. I found three yesterday in my bag of dateless coins.
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 Posted 08/05/2010  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RPT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Steve: Checked out your web site. Very Interesting.
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 Posted 08/05/2010  11:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add weerdsteev to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nickelman: Hmmm. Now you're splitting hairs. I suppose there are people who might pay a bit of a premium to own some dateless type 1s. However, if you are ONLY considering potential value, I know darn well that you could sell a nicely restored specimen (clear date, horn evident) for more than you can sell a dateless specimen.

Chances are that what you found in your bag of dateless coins are P mints, right? Neither option is really worth exploring with a P mint. I think the best I ever sold a nicely restored 1913-P T1 for was $5.00, which was simply NOT WORTH IT for me, as I have to get closer to $7.00 to break even. Good luck getting even a $1.00 for an untreated 13-P T1.
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SDcoinguy: PM sent.
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I found 7 dateless 1913 t-1's in my bag of 250 dateless buffalo's worn very bad except one
5 are reg p no mint marks
2 are " d " mint marks , one is very worn how ever one has a nice back and the " d " is very clear I'm trying to restore that one as we speak.

white vinager has worked great for my 1914,15,16,17,18,18d,19d nickles
most of the 1920's 30's nickles dont seem to be restoring to well if at all

for all the early dates white vinager did the trick , I took them out and used one drop of battery acid from a car battery through a syringe placed it on the date and it drew them out even more , the 1917 battery acid it really brought that one out .
then I soaked them in vinager agian to even out any discoloration from the battery acid , washed them off cleaned/whiped them with a towel , put them in the over at 400 degrees for 20 minutes , The oven at 20mins help give them a natural tone to get rid of that disgusting grey/pewter look with out over doing it.

So far from 250 , 15 have clear readable dates they are the teen 14-19 dates and a few with D marks ( 1918d 1919d ) 1916 seems to restore eazy have 4 of them

15 more have or will prob have readable dates with some battery acid help and resoaking , they are all D S mints from the 20's-30's nickles ( partialy visable dates ) being they have D S ill spend more time on them

40-50 ones with partial dates from the 20's 30's with no S or D marks only book for around a dollar each in G condition not my main focus now ,being restored thats what 25cents each if they book at 25% value ? , ill focus on them after I'm done with the S D marked ones just soaking in some vinager for a extra long time

about 150 seem hopless with so much wear I doubt anything will come of them


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 Posted 08/05/2010  9:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add captainkurt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I found the before photos and because I cant stand having my photography skills ridiculed I took some more pictures of the after. Again, great job turning these ugly coins cool again!

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 Posted 08/05/2010  10:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add weerdsteev to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Kurt, but unless you added the yellowish toning to the "after" pics, you're still killing me! Are you working for one of my competitors? Are you trying to put me out of business? LOL!
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