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 Posted 07/04/2010  1:35 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
to submit a Morgan dollar that may be a new VAM?

I will post pics in a little bit, maybe I just missed it in the existing VAMs by date and mint listings but I don't think so.



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 Posted 07/04/2010  1:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The *only* way is to send it to Leroy Van Allen. He is still the sole determiner of a new VAM. Obviously, before that you'd want to be as positive as you possibly can that it's a new variety. We can do pretty well here at CCF, but the final peer review before submitting should be at VAMworld.
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 Posted 07/04/2010  5:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tim Stroud to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That would be cool if you have found a new VAM!
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Here are the main markers I was look for when I searched for a VAM on this coin, I didn't find them, attribution help needed ! Please.


Doubled 188, Die crack through point of bust to third star left and above date beginning under curls progressing through lower curls out behind bust and into cap.

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Reverse RPM level right. tilted left

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F In OF die double die gouge? or ? on leg , up swept base on F in OF


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 Posted 07/06/2010  12:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a lot of Strike Doubling going on to me Metalman. From the photos, I wold say Strike Doubling and PMD on the F. As for the date, I think also Strike Doubling, although there may be a bit of die doubling as well. Many a crack seem to transverse the neck in that general location on Morgan obverses, and probably will not help a person in ID unless you can find a photo in the VAM pages. I think that I see something more minor, but possibly a bit more unusual above the I in PLURIBUS. Maybe it could be matched up. Have you narrowed it down to a certain reverse hub yet? I think that would be the best thing to do, and might make ID much easier.
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Hi Zeewool, I had considered PMD on the F as a first response, but with the magnification that I can get from my loupe , I'm leaning away from that response for the time being the marks are just too perfect when viewed in hand., as for the reverse, I am thinking that I should be able to match it up by the clash at the top of the right branch between wing and leaves.

it does not show up well in my pictures, I'm far from a good macro photographer but I try.

I will keep looking and If I find anything to update the thread with I will do so.

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Metalman, I'm 'pretty' sure what you have there is VAM 10. Could you look at your mm and see if there is a diagonal line inside the lower center of it?
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 Posted 07/06/2010  8:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see no Diagonal lines inside the MM.

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I really thought that this was a C3g reverse. I guess that I was wrong (again). Okay, that may be a good thing. Would you be so kind as to look under the second 8 in the date for a small dash (maybe from different angles). Also, is the reeding inconsistent (overlapped) anywhere?
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try VAM 53, looks like its a good match with the MM, and it has die cracks threw the lower hair like yours, and I see you have a die crap at the top of the cap that goes to the cotton leaf just like VAM 53..
There is also a die marker, a die scratch in the cotton bow stems, which I believe I see in your photo...vam 53............Gene
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 Posted 07/06/2010  9:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
vam-53 I like it. How about you MM?

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Ok Aladinslamp, what do I owe you!

This appears to be correct, so I guess that the F is PMD , it fooled me though, the lines are so very uniform and do not extend into the field at all. I guess I have to keep looking for that discovery piece.

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its all good, glad to help.. the die cracks alone wouldn't be sufficient for a new VAM, but they are cool and sometimes can help to pin point it.....your pictures are very good, I hope to get mine there one of these days, just posted some on the grading section, at least there not yellow any more!! you'll find a new VAM yet...
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