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Reverse looks to be VAM 7 based on what I can gather from VW. I circled the areas with heavy polishing lines. Obverse is the question - Inside of the RED outlines - There are faint lines connecting each other or abruptly coming to an end and look to be raised. The gouge inside the circle on the face is PMD? And the circled stars by the M are flat at that spot. The highlighting on the date looks like this but I DO NOT have the connection between 1 and 9 but does pick up from the neck to the star. http://www.vamworld.com/1904-O+VAM-36Also I cannot do any more with pics as these are the sellers and I do not have the capability. So if you want me to look closely at a particular area let me know. Is it possible the obverse is the very early stage of something else? Or is that a no no? Thank for reading this far. This coin is in a slab and if you choose to guess the grade do so and I will post later. Peace   |
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Everything that you have circled is PMD. Devices aren't polished. |
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The 1904-O does not support any of the top 100 VAM's, so I would not be concerned about it unless it is a distinct new VAM. Probably not worth more than appropriate MS bid for the grade. If you think it might be a new VAM, you can contact Leroy Van Allen directly. He's pretty good about taking emails. FYI.My $.02 |
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this is not VAM 7, VAM 7 is MM set high and right yours is lilted left from what I see, If memmory supprizes me, the MM nd th lines nside the bow will quickly ID it...If I get some time I will look itto it. I have seen this one before....had a computer melt down and working on geting it back up.... |
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if you have the time and can take lose up pictures of the MM pot themm...
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Aladinslamp, I do not have the capability to take pics. However I cropped up the sellers pic of the MM location. The red circled spots (1st post) on the left and right wreath have polishing lines (hope this is the correct terminology) on the lowest points in the coin. Hope it helps you narrow it down. I also have the die gouges / polishing lines in "we" as in the link below. Also the RU in "trust" looks diff on my coin (there is more metal in the connection between "R" and "U" than the pics on VW). http://www.vamworld.com/1904-O+VAM-2AObv circled spots are hairline die cracks. The cheek circle could be PMD. Peace  Edited by Ceylon62
07/04/2010 07:23 am
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Its next to impossible to confirm something you can't see, how ever, as I do have a few 04's with the polishing lines its easy to get them mixed up..I was reading something about them in the past week or two concerning VAM 1 and VAM 4, a few more with polishing lines, so I thought I would post the links to give you some3 more info, as you have it in had and will be the final judge... http://www.vamworld.com/message/view/home/25521859date and mintmark key to solving this, is the neck clash High or low?is it an N clash or a G?cant even take a wild guess from the photos... some members have had good luck taking pictures threw there loupe's,, worth a try.... |
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forgot to mention, with so many 04's with polishing ;lines, its best to save the lines for additional confirmation of the VAM than to go looking for the VAM due to the polishing lines..let us know what you find! |
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One of the guys over in VW is working on the 1904 O's as many dies seem to have been re-worked as well as the pairing of the dies was mixed up. I have been told that as this was the "last year" know one knew that the 1921's where going too be made. The mints seemed too use and re-used all of the dies. With the Pittman Act,and the sell off of millions in silver to England for India. Know one knows how many 1904's where sold off. One theory is that as the Dollars where shipped out for storage, the more recent coins where in front. {first in / last out} making the 1904, 1903, 1902 and so on the first melt off. That theory has not completely been true as a large lot of 1903's had been found causing a drop in the market value of that year of the Morgan dollar. |
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Thanks you 2. I have been researching the 04-O at VW and am going in circles due to the polish lines. Russ based on what you are saying it should be LIFO (last in first out). I am breaking it down to what I see and what I am 50 50 on due to my skill level.
What I See (in addition to what I have already posted)
The back half of the "ear" has very little "profile" and is almost 70%+ flat. Meaning that, I am seeing the line separating the back and the middle half of the ear with the ear having a very flattish appearance. My XF- Morgan's have more profile of the ear. Fwiw, the coin is in a PCGS slab graded 64.
There is some polish lines ( 2 or 3) in the deepest portion of "TY" (top bar) in liberty.
50 / 50
As per clashing - I think I see something. It's funny that Aladdin mentioned it and I did not want to throw it out there as I have NO clue what to even look for. Something is there on the chin and is faintly visible under lighting.
There is some doubling (I think) from the "lower portion (staring at the bend) of the nose to the chin (stops around the bend area of the chin).
For the time being I am going to set this one aside as I am going around in circles as I am not getting any confirmation by way of the "known die markers". In the meantime I will read up, learn and move on to the 02-O (2 Olive Reverse variety).
If there is someone you folks know in Connecticut who might want to give this one a shot at it send me a PM.
Thanks again
Peace
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When I get back home today I will take a good look over it.
Thanks
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Posted 07/03/2010 7:31 pm
