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How Do I Describe The Toning On This Peace Dollar?

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 Posted 01/27/2011  11:29 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add John Galt to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have a Peace dollar here with some fairly deep toning. I'm not sure how to describe it, though. Is this what is called "cameo toning?"

Here are some pictures:

Obverse side:


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Reverse side:


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Does this toning add to the value of the coin?

And, if I list this for sale someplace, how would I describe it so that someone looking for a coin like this would find it?

Thanks in advance for any replies.
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 Posted 01/27/2011  11:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thecoinczar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can see where you would like calling the dollar cameo toning as the coin does exhibit some proof like qualities on the devices. Let's see what some other collectors post in this thread.
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 Posted 01/27/2011  12:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A better term would be "circulation cameo". You basically have darkly patinated fields with lighter high points which roughly approximates the look of a highly contrasted proof. It is a good sign of originality and indicates that the coin has not been messed with or cleaned. Here is a Barber half dollar showing the same effect-

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 Posted 01/27/2011  6:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't believe I have ever heard the term "cameo toning" before. if it were me I would just call it circulated and leave the toning out of the equation because thats just what happens when they are circulated and old
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Silver normally turn into black when gets old , I think is normal but the relief on this coin is very strong such a beauty
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 Posted 01/27/2011  9:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've been putting together a set with similar toning. It has not been easy. To get a nice matched set in EF like your coin is practically impossible. Most of the EF's have been dipped. I settled for a set of VF's with this "cameo" coloring and have it nearly complete but it's been a couple of years and searching thousands of coins on the internet, coin shops, shows and gold exchanges. What a trip.
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 Posted 01/27/2011  11:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think the implied reply above, that this IS AN ORIGINAL coin...not messed with in any way at any time.....is very apparent...hard to find true examples like this....I seldom find them, as most have had some kind of cleaning to make them look better than they actually would grade, and is a well known truth, that some kind of cleaning to keep the "luster" up, has been well practiced for too many decades...
the old Battle ship grey....a true untouched coin is a nice find..when so many we see have been cleaned in one way or the other..
the thing is.....some are accepted(properly cleaned..OPPS, I mean PRESERVED)...and others are not, and body bagged...
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Thanks to all who answered. I'll probably list this one for sale in the next week or so. I almost put it up for auction last night or tonight, but didn't want anything ending on the 14th or 15th (valentines day, then birthday in family).

I plan to use "1923 Peace dollar, Toned, 'Circulation Cameo' look" for the heading, and the description will include this:

"This coin has a deep patina on the background fields which highlights the features and enhances the contrast of all the details."

That, along with my usual text that this is a circulated loose coin (not certified or "slabbed") and that the browser/bidder can make their own grading decision based on the detailed pictures.

Thanks for all the replies. Sorry I was so long getting back here.
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I plan to use "1923 Peace dollar, Toned, 'Circulation Cameo' look" for the heading, and the description will include this:

"This coin has a deep patina on the background fields which highlights the features and enhances the contrast of all the details."

That, along with my usual text that this is a circulated loose coin (not certified or "slabbed") and that the browser/bidder can make their own grading decision based on the detailed pictures.


That's the way of the honest seller.

The only suggestion I'd make: instead of the "Circulation Cameo" language in the title, include the word "silver." I've found my hits have gone up significantly after starting to include that word in my Morgan auction titles at Bobby131313's suggestion. You can use the "Circulation Cameo" language in the description, and the word "toned" in the title will cover that base if your sense of what's right requires you to mention toning in the title. Your photographs are more than good enough to make the true appearance of the coin obvious.

Count me among the group of people who really, really like that look. It's very rare among Peace dollars.
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 Posted 02/06/2011  11:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John Galt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SuperDave,

Thanks for the advice. I was able to fit Silver in, making it "1923 Peace Silver Dollar, Toned, Circulation Cameo look" That just fit in the limits.

It's up for auction now. We'll see if anyone likes the look.
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. Yes sir that's a real beauty. It catches my eye for sure!
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Lovely coin, and one that I may have to try to get for myself!
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