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Is My Thaler Maria Theresia Fake Or Real...please Help?

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 Posted 02/05/2011  7:27 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add veca777 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I bought a 1870 Maria Theresia Thaler that looks really great, but that is what worry's me, it looks like a brand new Proof coin, so I was wondering could someone have a look at the photos and give me a straight answer is it a fake on (like a souvenir) or the real thing

thanks

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 Posted 02/05/2011  7:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The reverse image sure looks a lot like my restrike. It looks to be prooflike so I am going to say I bet it is a modern copy.
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 Posted 02/05/2011  8:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tim Stroud to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do not think you have a fake at all. It looks like it may be one of the most recent re-strikes that has been harshly cleaned.
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02/05/2011 8:02 pm
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 Posted 02/05/2011  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maria Theresa thalers used to be used in trade until the 1960's in some parts of the Middle East. There are now very many mint produced modern restrikes that have been made since the 1960's. For that reason, it would be be not worth the effort to produce fakes these days. They would have more potential getting into faking coins that have a much higher numismatic value.

I have a modern restrike Maria Theresa thaler. I bought it at melt value. That is still all that it is worth. Nevertheless, it is still a pleasing coin to have.

During the 1960's, British fake sovereigns were produced in the Middle East This activity was comprehensively stopped when The Royal Mint recommenced the production of genuine sovereigns, and flooded the fakes out.
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 Posted 02/05/2011  8:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Meldercat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have one. It is a restrike. The one pictured looks cleaned as there are several scratches on the surface.

Proof copies sell in the $20.00 range. Cleaned ... bullion value at best.
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 Posted 02/05/2011  8:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add COINAHOLIC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not a fake, unless the silver content is wrong or absent, it looks to be a re-strike and intended for bullion issue.

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Hello, veca, welcome to the forum!
You've already gotten great explanation, I just would like to add that all the restrikes throughout the years were minted with the frozen date of 1780 with the symbol of "x" indicating that it was a restrike.

Is-My-Thaler-Maria-Theresia-Fake-Or-Real...please-Help???

Nice looking coin, but unfortunately harshly cleaned!
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 Posted 02/06/2011  04:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Litotes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Are you sure about the "x" indicating restrike, svslav? I have an Austrian thaler from 1765 which sports the same x. From pictures in Krause, so do the 1752. And all the half thalers from the same period. Are all these restruck as well?
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 Posted 02/06/2011  05:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is an older thread - lots of answers in it

http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...PIC_ID=52868
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 Posted 02/06/2011  08:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The "X" on the MTT isn't actually a letter X; it's the "cross of Burgundy", a ragged saltire. It was used often on Austrian coins; it just so happens that the vast majority of thalers actually struck in Burgau in 1780 don't have the saltire on them, so it's presence on a standard-design MTT is usually a pretty good indicator that the coin is a restrike.

As Swamperbob said, another good indicator of "restrike" is the shape of the "U" in "AUST". If it's "U" shaped, it's genuine 1780 or a very early restrike (up to 1805). If it's "V" shaped (AVST) then it's a post-1805 restrike.
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