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A Paddock Full Of Mules.

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Today I bought one of the more common mules you can find, this Bahamas New Zealand one. This is the second mule in my collection and is easy to spot as there is an obvious miss-match.


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The other one I own is the year 2000 $1/10c mule. This one is scarce and more pricey, but is also harder to spot if you don't know what to look for. The obverse is muled with a 2000 10c die, while the reverse is the standard $1 mob of 'roos. If you look at the rim, you will see two distinct rims as the 10c die is a little smaller than the $1.


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What mules do you have in your collection, or what other mules do you know about? And what are the identifying characteristics that will help others spot these little treasures.
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 Posted 02/04/2011  11:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With the first one, the lack of date makes it obvious. About 80,000 of the Bahamas / NZ mules exist. Nevertheless, quite a desirable piece to have.
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 Posted 02/04/2011  11:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice! I was not aware of the New Zealand/Bahamas mule.
I hear this coin referred as a "mule" although it's the same denomination.

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I am not an expert here, I am normally into ancients, and there a lot better experts in this field than me as well!

This halfpenny I think is a mule, but that is not immediately obvious.

The obverse is of an Indian die with mint mark below the head, but the reverse has a dot after HALFPENNY, which is a Perth Mint die. The rim denticles on the reverse suggest an Indian die, so this coin is an Indian re strike proof of the early '70's. The condition suggests that. Like I said, I am no expert in this field, and I stand to be corrected.
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Actually the identification is all in the denticles. The standard 1942I halfpenny has small, almost bead-like denticles. The longer, thinner denticles seen on DV's coin were prepared for the 1943 dies which all show this characteristic. For some reason, a 1943 die was engraved with a 1942 date and a small number of coins were struck. This variety is listed as very scarce in Renniks, and in that condition is worth a few dollars.

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 Posted 02/05/2011  3:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the info on this coin! I've surprised myself by finding several of this variety over the past 2 years.
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I would think that being a WWII coin, many of these would have left Australia with US return service men and women. That would also explain the great condition, being put away as a keep sake or simply put into a drawer and forgotten about. Unfortunately, most I have seen here are well past their use by date.
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Does this one count?


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Quote:
most I have seen here are well past their use by date.
Yes, that explains the condition of many WWII Aussie coins I've found--returning GIs would have no opportunity to spend them.
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 Posted 02/05/2011  7:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mules eh?

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 Posted 02/05/2011  8:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
fcrazo: I suspect that the mule you have illustrated may be rather more stubborn than that illustrated by DVCollector.
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 Posted 02/05/2011  8:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fcrazo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Will the mule that I posted be upside down in the great land down under?
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Yes, it will be, but it will need suction caps on it's hooves. When any picture is shown 'down under', we always turn the camera upside down.
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GX, can you tell us why all the others apart from the Bahamas/NZ coin is a mule? I am assuming the bottom one is struck from dies of two different countries?
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 Posted 02/06/2011  01:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sure latman.

1: Bahamas / NZ mule
2: Zhejiang / Hupeh mule
3: 1988 novodel, muled with 90th anniversary of Engels since his death in 1895 die with 1983 die
4: 1991 Alisher Navoi commemorating 400th years after his death muled with 1990 die

And then there's a fair bit of mules with 20 kopek - 3 kopek since they are almost the same size.
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No, both bottom ones are Soviet commemorative rubles. They just paired up the dies with a wrong date. The first one was supposed to be 1985, and the second - 1991, kinda makes sense when one looks at the years of life of the guys.

My favorite of the above is the Bahamas/NZ, I'd say the "muliest" of them all
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