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 Posted 05/12/2011  12:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin in the OP is a scan of a raw coin.

Please don't say that you bought this coin in a PCGS G04 slab, and cracked it out. If that's what you did, you're stuck. The seller won't take it back, nor can anyone force him to.

Wish I knew who the seller was. The only PCGS G04 sold on ebay since April 27th went for $725 on May 4th, and it wasn't the coin pictured here.
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Good research Super! If that's the case, there are only two likely scenarios here. Unstuck and stuck. I hope it's the first one.
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I took the coin out and put it in my book that's how I do all my slabs. It did not dawn on me til after I put it in there. What freaks me out is did I void my warranty by removing it from the holder. I do believe I can put it back with no problem. I'm going to file a claim with ebay tomorrow. After all these years I finally get my hands on one and I send it back... THIS SUCKS!
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Can you link the completed auction here? I don't see the coin in ebay's Completed Listings but it only goes back 15 days.


EDIT: Jeff I sent you an e-mail. Do not try to replace the coin in the slab. Take pictures of the slab and post here if possible then save the slab for evidence.

Also link the auction here please. The coin looks like it has an added "D" and eBay/PayPal will be on your side even if removed from the slab but you'll need the original auction pics.
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You may have voided your "warranty" by removing it from the slab, but there is a bigger issue here than a warranty.

For example, if this was slobbed ms65 and you opened it, then later reslobbed it and it wouldn't make 65 again, tough noogies. You did indeed void your warranty.

At issue here is whether the coin is genuine. Title to a counterfeit coin cannot legally pass. He can't sell you a counterfeit, period. Doesn't matter if it's been 7 days, 7 weeks, 7 months, or 7 decades.

Further, it doesn't matter if it's still in the case, if the case itself is fake, or even if a fake coin got past PCGS as genuine. ebay still has images (permanently, IIRC) if the case is fake. At the very least, PP will see it as SNAD. The fact you opened the holder doesn't matter--you did something perfectly rational: you bought a coin on the strength of a PCGS slab, then removed the coin because slabs don't fit in albums.

Good luck, and don't delay. Check the number on the case as your first step, and at the same time contact PP. Push come to shove, there are laws against counterfeiting and mail fraud.

And do let us know who the seller is, so we can see if there is other questionable activity.
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. I do believe I can put it back with no problem. I'm going to file a claim with ebay tomorrow

ebay operates 24/7. No need to wait.

If you can put the coin back, it's prolly not a PCGS holder, otherwise everyone would be opening them putting in switcheroos, and reselling them.
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Bigfredd is right across the board, with (in my opinion) one exception: There's no way to ever prove that the coin being discussed here was the one in that slab. For that reason, by all means file the necessary complaints but don't be surprised if they go against you.
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I do believe I can put it back with no problem.

No, that is actually a big problem. PCGS slabs are sonically welded, they do not snap together like a CoinWorld holder. Once you crack one, there is no going back.

With the coin out of the slab, there is no guarantee that the coin you have is the same one that was sent to you in a sealed slab. Worst case scenario is that the auction photos are not high enough quality to definitively match markers on your coin to the auction coin, a task that would have been fool-proof with a sealed slab. If the coins cannot be matched, you are stuck with a fake and PayPal will do nothing for you. I still do not understand why you have not provided a listing to the auction Unfortunately, I do not see this ending well
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Does anyone have a link to this seller?
What was the item number?
I know Brad tried to do some research.
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As did I, without result.
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There's no way to ever prove that the coin being discussed here was the one in that slab.

Why not? ebay still has the pix from the auction.
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The question is are the auction photos big enough and clear enough to match specific markers on the OPs coin to the slabbed coin in the auction? If you were only provided with a small thumbnail photo of the slab, there is no possible way to match them. If you had some nice 800x800 photos, then it would certainly be possible to match them. Then there is also the possibility that ebay did not host the photos and the seller could then remove any traces of the original photos by changing the outside hosting link or deleting it altogether.
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He said he'd purchased it last thursday(May 5), so it should turn up in an auction search. I suppose the listing could have been reported and axed post auction end, and then the record would no longer exist. If that were the case though, he should have been notified by ebay. This just isn't adding up.
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I blew up the reverse of the op's coin and there appears to certain attributes, especially the mintmark area. Looks like the area could have been scraped either to help fashion the D, or otherwise. As mentioned, I hope the coin can be matched to the auction.
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Why not? ebay still has the pix from the auction.


The average ebay auction picture isn't remotely conclusive. My own auction pictures - which I vainly state are pretty darn good - are not conclusive. The seller will only need the smallest of wiggle room to make a strong case of denial for a coin no longer in the slab it was auctioned in. Of course, as capricious as Ebay/Paypal is, it could just as easily go in the buyer's favor even in the face of contradictory evidence.
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