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 Posted 05/11/2011  06:41 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Jr-wolves to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Good morning all!
The mail has just arrived and lone behold, so did my first coin
Its nothing special at all, but its certainly a start.

Beginning-Of-An-Adventure!

1899 Indian Head cent - Being from the UK, I thought this was a really nice small piece of American history and at only 99p who could moan?!
Cant wait to get back home and put it in a 2x2 and add to it . It may only be one solitary coin, but its the start of an amazing past-time and growing collection...and also my first post!

Look forward to joining in, on more "meaningful" topics in the future and being apart of the community, that is once I get more familiar and knowledgeable in the art of numismatics!
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 Posted 05/11/2011  06:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheDepreso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Awesome! And a great, smart start for a collector! Once you get a hold of things, know the prices and grades, it's going to be butter smooth to build any collection you'd like!
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 Posted 05/11/2011  07:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jr-wolves to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cheers TheDepreso, I guess with anything it just takes research and alot of experience, which comes in time. For a starter like myself, the subject is much bigger than I could of imagined, its quite overwhelming! Would you say the Indian Head cent I have is an okay example? As with everyone, I would like the best examples of each coin I can get my hand on, but I'm abit too fresh to start spending real sums on a coin
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 Posted 05/11/2011  12:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carmykle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Absolutely enjoy your hobby. Just take it slow. Learning about the tecnical and historical sides of coins can be undaunting, sort of like trying to learn to drink from a fire hose, a slow methodical approach to gaining the knowledge of your collection will be very rewarding.
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 Posted 05/11/2011  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bizybackson to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You have to start somewhere, and almost everyone starts out with baby steps. For 99p, quite a sweet deal on an awesome coin, can't beat the feeling of having a piece of history in your hand. Love the fact that you're willing to collect 'foreign' coins!

Welcome to the forum, by the way, lots of friendly, knowledgable people here very willing to share and promote the hobby especially to new numismatists so feel free to ask away!
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 Posted 05/11/2011  12:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

You have a presentable example of this common date. I would grade it Fine-12 on the 70-point Sheldon scale. It has some marks that are consistent with its status as a moderately circulated piece. I can't tell about the color. A circulated Indian cent should have a medium-brown color; your photo shows a purplish shade which could be from the lighting or could be an indication the coin was cleaned at some point. You can't go wrong for 99 p. (about $1.62 USD) but if/when you are ready you should be able to upgrade to a nice EF-40 piece for just a few dollars more.

Welcome aboard, and hope to see you around the forum!
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 Posted 05/11/2011  1:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
The mail has just arrived and lone behold, so did my first coin
Its nothing special at all, but its certainly a start.
You always remember your first! Congratulations!
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 Posted 05/11/2011  2:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinstar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thats where I started--pennies
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 Posted 05/11/2011  2:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add delaner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's really cool! Welcome to the community! =)

What do you plan to collect? What are you interested in? American coins or coins of all kinds, from everywhere? Interesting that you would start with an IHC - there have been some BEAUTIFUL coins from Britain. =)
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 Posted 05/11/2011  4:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jr-wolves to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry about the late replies guys, been running around like a maniac this end .

Thanks for all the feedback!
Yeah I guess it is a "dont run before you can walk" hobby tahts for sure. I'm just taking it slowly and really enjoying it, I keep diving in the books to find out everything I can about each coin. I dont expect to learn everything in a few years let alone days, but with a forum filled with helpful members, I'm sure I must be at an advantage

Jaobler - Grading for me at the moment is something I havent even started to look at, I'm sure that is a skill that takes many years to master. In all fairness grading scares me, as what I might rate as a certain grade, another may grade it totally different. Thankyou for giving it a rough grade and some useful information. To confirm yes it is the lighting, it is actually a nice burnished brown colour.

Delaner - To be quite honest, I havent got an exact route I'm following yet, but for some reason I was instantly taken by the IHC, just the aesthetic appeal.
I have ordered some British coins - Victoria Farthing 1860, Victoria Half Penny 1861.
Also a Nova Scotia One Cent 1861.
I'm not going to collect randomly, I like to have things in order and tend to complete a collection before I move on, but these just stood out. At the moment however I'm swaying towards older American/British coins. I guess half of the fun is deciding what to collect though.

Silly I know - but I'm having abit of a dilema at the moment, sitting down at the table, IHC in front of me, quadrum capsule to the left and 2x2 adhesive to the right.
Whats everyones opinion on what a "cheaper" coin should go in? I'm guessing its the 2x2 but everyone has seperate opinions and all.

Also are both the sides of the coin meant to be on center with each other? (hope that makes sence). As if I look at one side of the coin, the reverse side will be upside down

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 Posted 05/11/2011  4:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add acloco to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You will always remember your first. :)
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Jr-wolves, all United States coins have what is called coin alignment where the reverse is orientated 180 degrees from the obverse. Anything other than that on a coin the reverse is referred to as rotated and how much would determine if the coin has a premium for that type of error not. Typically slightly rotated reverses, less than 20%, don't have a premium.

Good luck with your new hobby!

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 Posted 05/12/2011  12:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add delaner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well JR, if grading scares you, you should probably spend some time trying to get the hang of it before you spend too much money!

If somehow you've missed the link, check out http://www.pcgs.com/photograde

Compare your IHC - and get a loupe or a strong, lit magnifier if you can - and see if you can figure out which grade is which.

For your IHC, since it's your first, put it in the nice holder. I highly recommend getting a LOT of whatever kind of holder you want to use since you like to have things in order.

So that's cool - your drawn to coins for aesthetics and history versus real collector value. Well, I highly recommend then a '38 or '39 Walking Liberty half dollar in a higher grade. You might want to get one that has been graded by PCGS. You might also get one or two of a lower grade so you can carry it around in your pocket and admire it, and play with it. The higher grade for the aesthetics, the lower grade for the history.

You'll find that it is simply a stunningly gorgeous coin. On top of that, Britain and eventually the United States collaborated on some pretty interesting, scary, and important history when the WLH's run came to an end in the mid-'40's. =)

Also, you *may* enjoy some commemorative coins from the Marshall Islands. I don't know if modern coins are your thing or not, but they're kinda fun, and you can find them inexpensively on ebay, and the grades are always pretty reasonable (in other words, not something you really need to worry about!) because they're made just for collectors rather than circulation. I picked up a set of four still in cellophane for like... $10 or something!

If you like the IHC, there's a chance you'll really like Buffalo or Indian Nickels, also. I never thought much of Buffalos until I looked at a higher grade one with my magnifier. STUNNING. Really, a beautiful coin - and as they're relatively common, even in higher grades they're not super expensive.

The last American coin I'll suggest is the 1857-1858 Flying Eagle cent. A cool guy here who calls himself Vermontensium (after a beautiful Revolutionary War Era coin) usually has a couple on his site... Do a search on his name and you'll see the address in his signature. He's a really great guy to deal with. The Flying Eagle cent gets really expensive in higher grades, but it's still pretty easy to appreciate in lower grades, and it lived through a VERY tumultuous period in American History, our Civil War. It was front and center for all that went along with that period in our history.

As for British coins, I'm really into American Revolutionary War coins, and those got me to find one - The Earl Howe Glorious First of June halfpenny of 1794. There are a LOT of beautiful halfpennies and tokens from Britain at that time, for different parts of the country. Definitely have a look as some of them are incredible for their time. They display amazing technological and artistic mastery, and they're not heavily collected in lower grades.

Well, I'll keep my thinking cap on for ya, but hopefully that gives you a couple of ideas? Anyway, best of luck!! =)
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 Posted 05/12/2011  05:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jr-wolves to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gyrene7483 - That makes much more sense now! I was trying to research this last night but couldnt find anything. I wrongly assumed the alignment should be the same on each side...silly me! Thanks for the answer

Delaner - Great link, have saved that in my favourites! Shows some fantastic comparisons between each of the grades, something I was desperately lacking.
For the time being I'm going to put it in a 2x2 as putting all my coins in quadrum cases can be expensive, espcially as the case was nearly worth more than what I paid for the coin aha.
Dont get me wrong, I am also collecting for an investment purpose too. That for me isn't a higher priority than actually enjoying collecting and enjoying the aesthectic aspect though. Wil definately be looking up those coins you have noted, they sound very interesting . Commemoratives might not be a bad idea either, I have seen quite a few that are beautifully done, so I'm sure I'll pick up one or two along the way
Only problem with collecting expensive American coins is that if I purchase them from outside UK such as USA then customs charge me even more on top of what I have already paid...which is a major bummer! I shall check out that seller you listed though, its always good to buy from a trustworthy source.
There sure are alot of beautiful Brtish coins, especially dating back to the early Monarchs. Then of course you have your medieval coins and ancient coins. So many fields of expertise, not enough time!
Thanks for all the helpful insight and giving me LOTS more ideas
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 Posted 05/12/2011  11:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wei Fun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
FWIW, for someone first getting into American coins, the Indian Head is a great place to start. Not just an iconic coin, but a piece of "Americana" as well, emphasizing our Indian (Native American, for those who prefer that term) history. The Buffalo nickel would be another recommendation, with Indian/buffalo design (seconding delaner's suggestion).

To your previous point of "I would like the best examples of each coin I can get my hand on" - you'll find you can get your hands on immaculate mint-state examples if you try. The question is, should you? At some grade level, the price starts going up exponentially. My advice is to find the grade level that you consider attractive, but not outrageously priced, and set that as your target. As an example, the 1857 Half Cent in XF (an attractive grade) goes for $144 per numismedia. MS60 would go for 300. By MS65, however, it's $1840, over 10x the XF cost. Unless you're loaded, buying that coin in MS65 will mean having to pass up a dozen other similarly-priced coins.
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 Posted 05/12/2011  12:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good for you! I only started about a year abo and it has become a semi- obsession. I even have branched out to foreign coin, some Breat Brittan coins too. Have fun!
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