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Trivia - Total Number Of Roman Coins

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This would be the coins starting with those issued under the Republic (289-41 bc), beginning with cast Aes Grave issues of the third century bc and continuing on to 498 ad. Also including the provincials -- Western Europe, North Africa, Eastern Europe, Asia Minor, Roman Egypt.

This has to do with an article I was reading some time back concerning the huge amounts of Roman coins which are available to us today as collectors. Since the advent of the metal detector, they've been bringing them up in droves with no end in sight. The article went on to give an estimate of just how many coins were made in @787 years throughout all the Empire, saying that coinage was nearly always at peak. The figures were in the 10's of millions, if not more. I believe it was actually in the billions.

I've since lost track of the web site. Does anyone have any info or can anyone give me a reference?
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Mintages of ancient coins are, for the most part, unknown. We can make educated guesses, but doing so is kind of like using the Drake Equation to calculate the number of extraterrestrial civilizations in the Galaxy: the number you get out at the end depends a great deal on the values of the unknowns at which you can only guess. In the case of ancient coin mintages, we know only slightly more than the SETI people do about their subject matter.

We have a reasonable guess as to the number of known different types of coins there are, due to extensive study of die matching. We can also work out approximately the maximum number of coins a die is likely to be able to produce before it becomes too worn out to use any more.

What we don't know is how many coin types there were that are unrecorded or have even disappeared completely from the historical record. The "best guess" we can do for this is similar to the method which environmentalists use to estimate the number of as-yet-undiscovered species in an ecosystem: take a random sample, and find out what proportion of never-before-seen specimens in that sample there are.

Nor can we know which designs were not struck to the maximum quantity the dies were capable of producing. For many coin types, the limiting factor in the number of coins issued was not die lifespan, but amount of raw metal available for coining - and this is something which we cannot possibly estimate, as detailed financial records of mint-cities have generally not survived.

Finally, of course, raw mintage figures alone don't tell us how many ancient coins are still around. Attrition affected ancient coins just as much as it does modern ones. I recall seeing that, for modern coins, the total number of surviving specimens of any one given type is typically down to about 2% of the original figure after about 100 years (the exact figure depending on many circulstances) and this would have been true in ancient times as well. Old coins have always been withdrawn and melted down to make new ones, coins exported to other countries melted down to make local coins, and coins irrevocably lost in other ways.

With ancient coins, who have not enjoyed the added protection of coin collectors souveniring the best specimens for most of their existence and for which many still remain buried in the ground, the present-day survival rate is more like 0.2%.
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I'm liking Sap's posts! :)

I actually wonder how many coins they may have minted.

Unlike today, I have my doubts they actually inventoried coin mintages like they do today. Especially during some of the less stable periods. There may have been rounded off estimates stored in a certain place and the data has since been lost but in that era the calculating it would have taken to do that was inconceivable provided the technology of the day. Many Roman cities also had regional mints in operation just like today which adds another level to the difficulty of obtaining any kind of usable information.

It's difficult finding information on the number of strikes for various dates of many modern countries, let alone ancient ones.
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Thanks and speaking of survival rate, given the Romans had a penchant for burying their coins I would guess this would alter the per centages?
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I read somewhere that the British Museum has about 15,000 types in Roman coins of the Republic, early and late Roman Empire, up to the time of Anastasius. I think that would mean that there about 15,000 design types. A type may include hundreds of individually cut dies, all of the same type.

With the rarest of the rare, only a single die would have been cut. A rare coin would be of the 'would be' usurper emperor Saturninus, of which there is only one known example coin.

My GUESS is that there are about 10 million surviving Roman coins.

Similarly, my GUESS is that there are about 3 to 5 million surviving ancient Greek coins. More of a problem in this case, in what you would include in your defininition of an ancient Greek coin. I suspect that the number of coins per die in the ancient Greek series would be less than with Roman coins, but as Sap has noted, that has more to do with the availability of metal.
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