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25 Reasons To Own Gold

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These were copied off of https://www.dont-tread-on.me from an article titled "25 reasons to buy gold and dump dollars" by Diogenes.

Gold Debt-Based Fiat Money
1. Gold is a tangible financial asset with no bank or government liability. Fiat money is a debt instrument or note that is the liability of a government or bank.
2. Transactions in gold are fully settled. Both parties hold finished goods. There is no outstanding liability. Transactions in fiat money are not settled. One party always holds a note owed by a bank or government.
3. Gold certificates or electronic credits in allocated gold accounts are redeemable in a real,physical asset:gold. Fiat money is not redeemable. While it functions as a medium of exchange,it lacks any backing in terms of real assets.
4. Gold is,at all times,in all places and under all circumstances,universally accepted as money. National currencies are accepted according to agreements that,like any contract,can be breached or made legally void.
5. In extremis,gold is always accepted. In extremis,such as in a time of war,a national currency (or any form of paper money) may not be accepted.
6. Gold has intrinsic value. The economic inputs (labor and resources) used to produce a gold bullion coin or bar are still present,preserved as a finished product. Fiat money has no intrinsic value,except perhaps insofar as paper can be used,for example,as kindling to start a fire.
7. Gold is rare,valuable and difficult to produce in large quantities. Fiat money can be printed or instantly created electronically in unlimited quantities and at essentially no cost.
8. The rate of increase in the above-ground gold supply is,and has been throughout history,roughly the same as the rate human population growth. The supply of fiat money, because of its inflationary structure,always increases in excess of population growth or sustainable economic activity,thus it is destabilizing
9. Gold is a consistent measure of value over time and across economies. No fiat paper currency is or can be a consistent measure of value over time or across economies.
10. The value of gold,measured in real terms,is stable over long periods of time. The value of all fiat paper currencies is volatile and always declines in the long run.
11. Gold is durable and virtually all of the gold ever mined still exists today. Neither governments,nor banks,nor paper motes,nor even digital media are as durable as gold.
12. Gold serves as a store of value and a preserver of purchasing power. Its value,in terms of real goods,is about the same today as it was 2000 years ago. Measured in fiat money, prices inexorably rise. Fiat money inevitably loses value because the supply always increases in excess of population growth and sustainable economic activity.
13. Under a gold standard,economies can enjoy stability and sustainable growth. Of course they are not automatically immune to economic disruptions,e.g.,due to exogenous shocks. Money based on debt causes a never ending boom and bust cycle of credit expansion and contraction. Economic disruptions are directly caused by the monetary system itself.
14. Central banks,sovereign nations and investors of all sizes buy gold because its value is more stable than that of fiat money. The value of fiat money inevitably degrades over time,thus the wealth of fiat money holders is eroded (by inflation).
15. Gold has been regarded by virtually all peoples as the highest form of money throughout history (for at least the past 5000 years). Fiat money became the de facto international standard after 1971,only four decades ago.
16. As a currency,gold cannot fail because it is a real,physical commodity. Fiat money systems always, eventually fail. All fiat currency schemes throughout history failed.
17. Over thousands of years, gold has remained a de facto global standard largely outside the control of central banks or governments. Fiat money was created because it can be centrally controlled and manipulated by banks and governments to suit their own particular needs.
18. Gold enables people to shield their wealth from the collapse of governments and financial institutions. If a government collapses, its currency becomes worthless. Governments cannot truly guarantee the wealth of citizens against a banking system collapse.
19. Gold enables people to protect the fruits of their labor from confiscation by governments or banks through inflation and,therefore,to pass their wealth down through generations. Inflation is like a breach of contract where holders of fiat money are robbed of its value over time through inflation. If cash is passed down through generations it becomes less and less valuable over time.
20. Gold safeguards economic freedom and allows people to hold their wealth outside the reach of governments and banks. Fiat money allows governments or banks to arbitrarily decide the value of money and the financial fate of every person dependent on the currency.
21. Gold distributes wealth and financial power to the people. Fiat money concentrates wealth and financial power in banks and in the government,opening the door to limitless abuses.
22. Under a gold standard, governments cannot expand disproportionately relative to the underlying economy. The optimal size of government is perhaps 20% of GDP. Central banking was conceived in part to allow governments to expand,e.g.,to fund foreign wars through debt. Fiat money allows governments to grow to unsustainable levels. In the United States,combined government at all levels is equal to roughly 45% of GDP.
23. Gold prevents the banking industry from expanding disproportionately relative to the underlying economy. Fiat money allows the banking industry to expand to a point where it dominates the economy and government, and is a crushing,economic rent seeking burden on the economy.
24. Gold makes it relatively difficult for countries to pursue military adventures or to fund a large military-industrial complex. Fiat money allows governments to engage in wars and to build military empires as long as their currencies and debts are accepted.
25. Gold is a real commodity and naturally supports the free market. Fiat money entails central planning of the economy,i.e.,"monetary policy," which opposes free markets.
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Now tell me the 25 reasons to own Silver :)
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In the current state of this society you are right but if things go terribly south for the country or the world it's not gonna be gold that Mr. Shopkeep is going to accept for payment. You are gonna need these:

1. Guns
2. Ammo
3. Water
4. Food
5. Various Survival Supplies
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I hope the need will not be in that order

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Lol at Fuzzy's comment. :D
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You are gonna need these:
1. Guns
2. Ammo
3. Water
4. Food
5. Various Survival Supplies

My thought is that in a nasty situation, it is very likely that we will be dealing with other people who already have these things. Since something is needed to serve as a medium of exchange, gold and silver should work well. They have a VERY long history of doing just that. Severe upheaval is not an uncommon human experience and both gold and silver have been used for exchange purposes for a very long time. I would imagine that they will be just as useful during the next O-S! situation as they have been during the past 500 or so of them.

As to other barter items, anything that is simple, useful, and / or manufactured will have excellent barter capability. Think needles and thread, fish hooks and line, matches, jeans, boots, coats, liquor, tobacco, fruit and vegetable seeds, coffee, etc. There is no reason to limit ourselves only to basic necessities and PMs.
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You guys are all right-on the mark. We should all have these areas covered; beans, bullets and bandages.

Barter items are essential, also.

I've lately been heavily invested in those little one-shot liquour bottles. I don't drink 'em, but there are millions of people that do. ;)
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I'd include sources of generating renewable power in #5, solar, wind, water...etc.

2 of these solar mats will provide 136 watts of power while the sun is up for $235/each or about $3.50/watt. That plus a simple charge controller for around $35 and you can keep several 12V car batteries charged for small appliances. So for less than $600 you can have portable renewable power.

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I'm all in agreement about owning gold, but at $1590 an ounce I'm not so sure about buying gold.
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That's what a lot of people said at $800/oz. Keep in mind part of high price is lowed value of the dollar.
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Actually all you need is Guns and ammo...These tools will get the rest for you!!
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Actually all you need is Guns and ammo...These tools will get the rest for you!


But then you have to deal with the guy upstairs. But I'll be ready for those that take this approach.
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But then you have to deal with the guy upstairs. But I'll be ready for those that take this approach.

Amen to that, Bro. I have to chuckle a bit at those who ignore their spiritual responsibilities. They say that they do not believe. I tell them, that is OK because their belief is not what created Him or allows Him to exist.


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I've lately been heavily invested in those little one-shot liquour bottles. I don't drink 'em, but there are millions of people that do. ;)

Other than on airplanes, where does one acquire such micro-bottles?

I agree that solar / wind power would be a good thing to have as a backup. I noticed that the cost of the batteries were not included in the ~$600 price, though. If money were no object, 6-8 of those 6V golf cart batteries would be ideal for this. They are not cheap but they do last a LONG time and are of the deep cycle type. Wired in series pairs and parallel groups, they will provide the necessary 12V AND some heavy duty amps. The RV folks sure seem to like 'em.
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I'm all in agreement about owning gold, but at $1590 an ounce I'm not so sure about buying gold.

Have to agree with this... but then, I've been thinking this since gold hit $500 per oz.

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If you could wake up tom, and know for sure it is gonna pass 2 grand, and never fall below it ever again, it would not be such a tough choice. But of course this is the real world..

It is real close to 1600, and I figure it will start to dip back 50 bucks or so if it hits it, and then it would be bottom out at 1550, where a month ago it would have been at 1480 after a few bad days. So the days (for now anyway, of sub 1500 gold seems to be gone) and with inflation on the constant rise, and economies all over making world effecting bad moves, it seems gold is destine to keep heading up, and its "little buddy" silver is gonna keep climbing as well....
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those little one-shot liquour bottles


Depending on the State laws of course, I've seen them in liquor stores here. IIRC New Mexico sells them at convenience stores and gas stations lol.

Yeah I didn't include batteries in that but did leave a little buffer. I was thinking most already have at least one car battery. I have 2 deep cycle 12V batteries, one in my truck and one for my uninterrupable power supply for my computer. I like 12 volt because so many things run off 12V. I even have a little RV frig/freezer that runs off one 12V battery.
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