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 Posted 08/08/2011  11:02 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add WHFleming to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello :) I am new to coin collecting, and I found my first error coin, but I do not know anything about it really. It is a 71 D Kennedy 1/2 dollar with about a 130* rotation. The coin that shows the reverse side is the error. the 93 next to it was just to give an idea of the rotation
Does anyone have any info on this.
Thank you for any help
:)
Wendy



Edited by Forum Mom to move from Welcome forum to Modern US Variety & Error Coins forum.
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 Posted 08/09/2011  06:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to CCF Wendy. That's a nice find. It is for sure collectible. Don't clean it, that would lower the value. We will have to wait for a pro to chime in on this.
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 Posted 08/09/2011  08:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add WHFleming to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
REALLY
I am soooo excited. I just couldn't believe it when I saw it. Especially after flipping coins everyday for the last month just hoping to find anything cool and filling my books. And I have had this one since I was a kid and never even knew to take a good look at it.
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 Posted 08/09/2011  10:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello, and welcome to the forum!

If genuine, this is a valuable error and is very collectible. That is a big IF, however. I've found several altered Kennedy half dollars with rotated reverse. These are "sandwiches" made from two coins by hollowing out one side of one half dollar, then grinding down the edges and one face of the other coin to fit it into the first, hollowed-out coin. Such fakes are usually easy to detect:

1. Closely inspect both sides of the coin along the rim. A fake will likely have a thin groove or seam all the way around one rim.
2. Check the weight. A normal 1971-D Kennedy will weigh 11.34 grams. Fakes usually are much lighter.
3. Drop the coin onto a tile counter and listen to the sound. A fake will usually produce a dull thudding sound. A normal coin (or a genuine rotated-die piece) will give a clear ringing sound. The difference will be very obvious.

Don't get too excited about your find until you have performed these tests. If the coin passes, it would be worth paying a grading service like ANACS to certify your error coin. Good luck!
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 Posted 08/09/2011  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
and nice find.
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 Posted 08/09/2011  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add WHFleming to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
well it didn't exactly pass ANY of the tests. HOWEVER it is my first fake coin, so it's still my first something :D and figuring it out was 1/2 the fun of the hunt - plus I learned how to tell a fake from genuine. I am still pretty excited lol. It will take more then a fake find to burst my bubble.
I am going to start a book of all my fake finds.
Thank you for the help it, it was extremely enlightening.

(I can't believe people take the time to actually do that though!)
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 Posted 08/09/2011  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CaptainFwiffo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It might not be a "fake" of a rotated coin so much as a "trick" coin. Many of them can pop apart to hide small things, or perform disappearing coin tricks.
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 Posted 08/09/2011  3:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
It might not be a "fake" of a rotated coin so much as a "trick" coin. Many of them can pop apart to hide small things, or perform disappearing coin tricks.


I had heard that also so when I found my first altered Kennedy I attempted to make it separate, with no success. I even tried boiling it in water to pop the two sides apart. I eventually found four similar coins from roll searching. These have various rotation values from 90° to 270° and none of them open up. I also found one 2-headed Kennedy and another with two tails, made using the same sandwich technique. Perhaps there is a crazed half dollar alteration specialist in my area.
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 Posted 08/09/2011  4:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bjones to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
or a magician!
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 Posted 08/09/2011  10:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wendy

I'm curious as to the tests you did on the coin.
What was the exact weight ?
Did you see a seam anywhere and if so
where was it located ?
I can see a Magicians coin heads/heads etc.
but why bother with just a rotation if wanting
to alter it. Anything over 90 degrees is collectible.
Yours seems to be in the 100 to 105 range.
Just wanted you to be sure that it is indeed an altered
coin and not the real deal.
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 Posted 08/10/2011  4:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Check next to the rim devices. It might look like this?

Another way to check is see if the sounds the same as a normal dropped from 1 inch off a table? If it sounds different it could have been altered. But keep till you know for sure.
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 Posted 08/13/2011  1:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add WHFleming to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I still cant believe it. I am sure now that it is a trick coin. I can not really see a seam, but I think there is one at the rim. And it thuds on the tile as well as the weight was about .08 lower then it should be. But I do not recall the exact weight that it was.
its all good though, I already found another rotated reverse coin. lol. It is just a penny so I REALLY hope it is real. :)i think I will take a picture and post it later.
I found an AMAZING coin shop about 30 minutes from where I live, so now I am really excited about collecting.
Any advice on what my first buy should be?
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 Posted 08/13/2011  3:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kopper Ken to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wendy have you tried various methods to open the coin? Can you post a close up of the rim and edge?

Regarding what your first purchase should be, decide on what series to collect first. Then read up and gain some knowledge on that series. Then purchase a coin and something to put it in.

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 Posted 08/13/2011  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add WHFleming to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
soooo.... no chance the mint made coins that open by accident, huh?
lol - guess I found a Houdini
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 Posted 08/14/2011  12:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are examples of rotated coins. They are valuable. But most of the created are done in the manner pictured above or the crude method of shaving down two coins and gluing them together. The Magicians coin is still a keeper. Worth much more than face. So keep it.
Richard S. Cooper
Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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