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What Are The Odds Of This? (1999 P Nickel)

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Hey folks noobie here!

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I'm trying to repair a surface defect on a 43 and I'm wondering what method would be best either filling it with JB Weld and sanding it down or get some high nickel content rod for the welder, turn amperage down all the way and try to just give it a real quick love tap and then grind it down with a Dremmel? Also Rustoleum makes a pretty good paint that would blend it all in nicely with either repair. Any thoughts?

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To CCF! I am a bit confused by your question.
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repair a steel cent?
Hold off a minute please.
Before you do anything drastic and possibly ruin something, can you post up an image of this coin first?
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I'm sorry I couldn't resist! I was joking. Like going onto a heart surgeon board and asking if they recommend using a gas or electric chain saw #128518;
I digress.
I'm totally new to numismatics but have been going through my 30 years of collected change and have found a lot of nice coins. Some variety and errors and some in just really good shape. My real question is this: what are the odds of finding multiple coins(1999 p Jeffersons) with the same die chip?

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@cud, first welcome to CCF. Second, since dies are used to strike bajillions of cents, it is highly likely that there are many duplicates struck showing essentially the same die chip. I would think that you would most likely find this situation with buying coins directly from the mint as these are more likely to have been manufactured at the same time then looking through bank rolls.

Potentially more interesting of an exercise is to find multiple cents with the same die chip, but in different states of progression. A couple years back, someone here did this with the so-called hornet's nest die chip on the eave of the Lincoln Memorial on cents.
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How about a pic?



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Pics--large and sharp--might prove fun.
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Good morning folks! Thank you all and to Spence for the reply.

The "SMART" phone isn't letting me browse for pics right this minute so that will have to wait.

The chip is on reverse, far right side just below roofline...probably much like the beehive Spence mentioned.
I have several from 99 showing progressive chips then one from 00 and one from 01.

The question is rarity. The chip couldn't have been on the master hub otherwise all P coins would have it. It had to have been on either a working hub or master die that got used infrequently.
Does anyone know the lifespan of hubs/dies? All I can find is that a working anvil lasts maybe 2 days.
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Does anyone know the lifespan of hubs/dies?
A die chip is almost always on the die; that's why it's called a die chip.

AFAIK the usual lifespan of a die is roughly 100,000 struck coins; I'm not sure how much is that in terms of working days. Judging by how huge modern mintages are, 2 days sounds like about the right order of magnitude, though I'd expect it would be closer to a week.
[EDIT: reportedly it's actually about six hours.]

OTOH, as correctly mentioned by Spence, coins struck in close succession by the same die are likely to have ended up in the same mint bag, and thus in circulation in the same area; so finding several examples of the same die chip in short succession is a lot less rare than it sounds like because of this factor.

Note that similar die chips in easily-chippable positions could easily occur independently on different dies; the BIE series on 1950s Lincoln cents provide a well-known example. This could explain your 2000 and 2001 examples.
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Ah man, I was waiting for the after welding and grinding pics. What a let down. to the CCF
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