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Electrolysis Experiment On MD Finds

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I've used boiling hydrogen peroxide to clean a crusty LMC which worked out pretty well. After seeing a video on electrolysis I decided to try this process. I'd appreciate any input or experience on using this process from readers.

I had 2 coins found while detecting to experiment with: a copper LMC and a clad quarter. The LMC was very crusty on the obverse (nearly illegible), the reverse not so much. The quarter just as bad but the clad about eaten away leaving a dull, dark finish.

Equipment: 19Vdc (1.3a) power source,low voltage test leads from Harbor Freight, aluminum scrap and brass plate for the anode. The power source is one I had on hand and don't care if it becomes damaged. I know most who do elctrolysis seem to use a 5 Vdc source ( I have several of these, too.).

Electrolyte solution: distilled water, 1 Tbs baking soda and 1 Tbs kosher salt. Heat water, disolve BS and salt.

Testing done in an open garage with good ventilation.

First test using the penny with aluminum anode: it took a minute or two to see some small action. When it did occur is kinda of pulsed on and off with only a little bubbling. After about 10 minutes the penny began to really stir up the solution for about a minute or two, then quieted down. The crud didn't flake off as I've seen in some videos. It seems to have just disolved. Cook time: 15 minutes.

Second test using the quarter and brass plate: Action began almost immediately. After a short time, the area around the anode was filling with blackish grud. The quarter really boiling good. Cook time: 5 or 6 minutes.

Finalize: Cleaned both coins with MS-70 (more black came off onto the Q-tip) and applied a light coat of Renaissannce wax polish.

Results: The LMC turned out okay especially after waxing. The quarter is now mostly a copper coin. Pics show a before and after.

Reader Input Questions:
1. Was using distilled water a good idea or should tap water be used?
2. What about my metal choice for the anode? I've read that steel gives a nastier gas than, say, iron.
3. What impact, if any, do you think using a 19 Vdc power source have on results?
4. What coin material should/should not be used with electrolysis?

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 Posted 02/14/2024  9:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting input, thanks for sharing.
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I'd like to see that process done to an encrusted ancient coin. If it works I would definitely try to duplicate your setup.
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In case anyone opts to try electrolysis, there are some DO's and DON'Ts I've learned from others:

DO unplug the power source before inserting or removing the object being cleaned.

DO NOT put your finger into the solution either activated (power on) or not.

DO NOT let the anode (positive lead) and cathode (negative lead) touch.

DO NOT do this indoors as harmful vapors are created.

DO NOT submerge the entire alligator clip. You want all or most of the action to occur at the coin and sacrificial piece.

DO NOT leave the active electrolysis process go unattended for any length of time.
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Oh boy Mike, you are going to hate me for this....IMO electrolysis is doing nothing but stripping metal and patina from your coins. Absolutely fine for face value dirt finds that will be dropped in a CoinStar machine. But what happens to a 1916-D Merc?

There are far more effective ways to clean your MD finds: safe, non-damaging. They just take a whole lot more time and effort and a good deal of experience before you get it right more often than not. Here are a few recent examples, the SLQ straight-graded last fall.

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Here are a few recent examples, the SLQ straight-graded last fall.


NO FAIR Doc! You can't tease us with great work and not provide detailed, step-by-step instructions.
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I have a blog post that gives an overview.
https://www.prodetecting.com/blog/c...-alkali-wash
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Follow up to DoCC's concerns about metal loss. I can't comment on potential patina loss.

MD 1980D penny weight: 3.000g
Uncleaned, same year/mint weight: 3.086g

Difference: 0.0097%

Is this a significant difference? I don't know but in this case it is a contemporary copper coin.

And, thanks, Doc for the blog post.
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Looks fairly significant to me. Patina protects the metal so if you have lost metal the patina went beforehand.


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Difference: 0.0097%
? NOPE. My bad. coin lost about 2.8% in weight.
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 Posted 03/07/2025  06:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dogfax to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good day,

I am looking to try the Acetone/Sodium Sesquicarbonate route. Could anyone give me rough soak times? are we talking mins/hours/days?

Ta muchly
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@Dogfax:
These links may be a good starting point:

BadThad's Polarity Ladder
http://goccf.com/t/57008#447106

DOCC's Visual Reference Of Steps Taken To Restore Metal Detecting Coins - Polarity Ladder
http://goccf.com/t/477211
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