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1857 Fec. Cleaned? Grade? Value?

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 Posted 10/16/2011  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidZerbato to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely is cleaned, looks polished to me. It should have a nice even, grey/tan color to it. As long as you're happy.
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Once you decide on grade I would go (greysheet value * .4) = price you should pay. If you feel like this is a VF, that would be about $25

That isn't a cartwheel, its just a glare. No cleaned, wizzed, anything coin has a cartwheel. Only the original luster present from the minting process leaves a cartwheel.
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It does appear to have cartwheel luster in hand. Confusing, but still, I'm happy with it.
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The Cartwheel luster "look" can be achieved by whizzing, which is one of the reasons people deceive by doing this in order to "simulate" mint luster. I've owned several whizzed coins. It appears to have that cartwheel affect from the pics. This definitely isn't mint luster, so my bet is on whizzing.
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The Cartwheel luster "look" can be achieved by whizzing, which is one of the reasons people deceive by doing this in order to "simulate" mint luster. I've owned several whizzed coins. It appears to have that cartwheel affect from the pics. This definitely isn't mint luster, so my bet is on whizzing.


What you're saying is generally true, but I think there is a difference. You can get a certain kind of cartwheel look by whizzing a coin, but it looks different than real luster.

I cannot describe it very well, but a real mint luster cartwheel will literally bounce from side to side. A fake will glide.

Regardless, wizzed coins frequently look funny anyway so diagnostics aren't neccesary
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This definitely isn't mint luster, so my bet is on whizzing.


Which brings me right back to the question, If whizzed, why no scratches? Not even a hairline scratch under the loop?
If dipped, why the cartwheel luster?

I know that this coin has been cleaned. I just can't determine how. One form of cleaning usually has an effect. I can't see an effect on this coin. I have seen hairline scratches on coin that were lightly rubbed with 100% cotton cloths. This doesn't make sense to me.
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I've seen buffing leave almost that kind of imitation "cartwheel"... Either way, it has good detail for the abuse it has taken, and you're happy with your first FEC... =
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Which brings me right back to the question, If whizzed, why no scratches? Not even a hairline scratch under the loop? If dipped, why the cartwheel luster?
I was just going by the pics...I could easily be wrong. However, a coin can be wiped or buffed in a circular motion that might produce very fine hairlines to give it the reflections in your pics...they are scratches, but at a microscopic scale.
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