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Interesting 1843zsom Cap & Rays, Scratches Before Striking?

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 Posted 10/22/2011  07:40 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add g0306047 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I received this coin recently.
The cap side has a lot of scratches, but is seems the scratching happens before striking?
Any thoughts or comments are welcome.
Have a nice weekend.

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 Posted 10/22/2011  1:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jfransch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They look post strike to me, what are you seeing that leads you to believe they were pre strike? If they were scratches on the die, they would show as raised lines. If they were scratches on the planchet, the strike force and metal flow would obliterate them. To me it almost looks like someone was using the coin to mark up and determine alignment of the rays and the date/assayer punches. Perhaps a study coin for a counterfeiter? (Or else it was someone with way too much time on their hands just scratching up a coin for something to do)
Can't wait for SwamperBob to chime in on this one.
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 Posted 10/22/2011  5:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TwoKopeiki to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Post mint damage, in my opinion, since scratches in some cases extend to raised design elements. Interesting hypothesis about marking the design elements to study alignment.
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 Posted 10/22/2011  5:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dosmundos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Post strike, and I guess somebody was indeed just pretty bored.
Looks quite cool though. Not your everyday scratches - I didn't know coins get wrinkles with age as well :-)
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 Posted 10/22/2011  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I too vote post strike - however, possibly not from just simple boredom.

I have seen numerous coins with similar scratches - especially the ones BETWEEN the rays.

If this coin was covered with an encrustation of some sort it would be cleaned with strokes that leave essentially these same scratches.
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 Posted 10/22/2011  11:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add g0306047 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Many thanks to all the friends who replied. I appreciate your comments very much. This coin is bought for less than $50, not that high. best wishes to all.
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