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 Posted 06/14/2012  01:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter S Thomas to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can't quite make it out but are the "dots" innies or outies?

In dents would indicate PMD maybe, (Nancyc don't hit me, I'm not arguing with you. ) while lumps would be Cuds maybe, or even die damage.

Either way more investigation would be required.
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 Posted 06/14/2012  03:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't hit people! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

From my experience these dots are always 'innies', and I believe they are caused by impact with maybe part of the collar, or something that is related to the interrupted reeding.

I also believe that this impact happens at some stage of the minting process. It only ever occurs on the rim of the coin, if it was just general 'impact', it would occur anywhere on the coins surface. Also look at the picture on P1, the indentations are lined up very neatly along the outside edge of the rim, how likely is that general impact is always going to be this neat?

There are usually five of them (which is the number of grooves in the reeding), and as concerned said in his 1st post, they aren't necessarily in line with the reeding on the coin, but their existence is definitely connected to the reeding. I firmly believe that it's not PMD. JMHO.

I used to keep them all, but I culled them so I'm not sure that I kept any. I'll have to check. If I find any, I'll post some more images, but don't hold your breath waiting for them.
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 Posted 06/14/2012  04:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add goatieman23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Nancy's last comment. I have seen quite a few of these & always wondered exactly what it was. I spoke to a few people maybe three years ago at an ANDA show in Melbourne & one of them mentioned reeding.


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Nancy "There are usually five of them (which is the number of grooves in the reeding), and as concerned said in his 1st post, they aren't necessarily in line with the reeding on the coin, but their existence is definitely connected to the reeding."

In my personal opinion this is NOT PMD!

They are different, but if anyone has a go at noodling decent quantities of $2, you're likely to find one, tow or a few. I think it may be something that's quite common amongst the $2 coins which are slightly mis-struck.

I've included a couple pictures below:

The reverse side of the 1998 coin below:
Dots-On-$2-Coin
The obverse (I kept because of the reasonable mis-strike on it):
Dots-On-$2-Coin

A 1999 example of the obverse but with the opposite issue.
Dots-On-$2-Coin

I probably have more laying around the house, just don't know where they'd be at the moment.
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 Posted 06/14/2012  07:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add deano to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks to me like milling of the side of the coin,not an error whatsoever
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 Posted 06/14/2012  08:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add goatieman23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
B...I...N...G...O...b..i..n..g..o..b..i..n..g..o & bingo was its name-o.
Milling, reeding, collar in the minting process. What do we call it? Is it just as simple as that?
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 Posted 06/14/2012  08:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add appleangel07 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Are you thinking Partial Collar Goatie ? Tilted Collar ?
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 Posted 06/14/2012  10:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Coin Hunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll be going through some $2 coins tomorrow so will look out for whatever this is. Will post pictures if I find any.
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 Posted 06/14/2012  11:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FNQ to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It would appear to be a [partial] re-strike making contact with the collar.
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 Posted 06/14/2012  6:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK, I think the correct term for this may be 'collar clash'.

I googled 'collar clash' and found quite a lot of pictures, mostly more pronounced than the one pictured here, but the coins in the pictures all had continuous reeding, and our $2 coin has interrupted reeding, so I reckon what Concerned has is a collar clash, so now we know what to call it.

Concerned, is your $2 very slightly off centre?

Time to search for some of my examples now.
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 Posted 06/14/2012  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Coin Hunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just went through a few $2 coins (about $800 )and this is what I found.
Some were related to off centre strikes. Looks like they appear mainly on 1999 and 2009 at the 7:00 o'clock position with 5 dots on the reverse side but does appear on other years in reverse and obverse locations with varying number of dots.



year side dots position (clock)
1999 rev 5 7:00
2009 rev 5 7:00
2009 rev 8 7:00
2000 obv 5 2:00
1998 rev 6 6:00
1999 rev 5 7:00
2007 rev 5 6:00
2009 rev 3 6:30
1997 obv 5 7:00
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 Posted 06/15/2012  09:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add deano to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mule like lol
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