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What Are The Benefits To Having A Coin Professionally Graded

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Hi everyone, I have a question.

In all the years that I have been collecting I have never had a coin professionally graded. I have read about it here on this site but could never see the need to pay to have a coin graded.
What are the benefits to having a coin professionally graded?
Is it worth the expense?

what coins (or dates) is it not worth having a coin graded by an outside source?
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 Posted 10/30/2011  6:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Smallcentguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For red copper coins, TPG holders should help conserve the redness.

If you aren't planning on trying out for a registry set , which obviously requires TPG grading, then I would say that the primary purpose is maximizing value on a sale. Even if you aren't going to sell, perhaps your heirs will. TPG grading probably protects them somewhat from being taken advantage of if they sell.

If you happen to sell on ebay (whether for fun, to get rid of things you are tired of or to make a dollar), TPG grading is quite important. For example, I bought a couple of seller-graded "uncirculated" cents on ebay a month or two ago for $6 each. I am sure all other bidders dismissed the seller-grading assessment. I got them back from ICCS last week in MS64 Red holders. I expect to have no trouble selling them for $100+ each. Without the grading, I would be back at $6.
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 Posted 10/30/2011  7:44 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is why I get my more important coins holdered:

1. Authenticity
2. Long term best protection
3. More $ come time to sell.

Their grade opinion, just their opinion.
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10/30/2011 7:46 pm
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 Posted 10/30/2011  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add glenzy1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The whole concept of T.P.G.'s was to take the bias out of transactions between buyer and seller. Naturally sellers always wanted the highest possible price for their coin and over graded their raw coins. On the other hand every buyer wants a great deal of a steal and believed the raw coin they were interested in was a lower grade than it actually was. Voila, along came the Third Party Grading companies.
The T.P.G.'s: best known for certifying Canadian decimal coinage are I.C.C.S., C.C.C.S. and P.C.G.S. & promised both buyers and sellers and unbiased opinion since they had no vested interest in the coin!
Therefore, the buyer benefited by buying the coin sight unseen or nowadays on the Internet where it is impossible to view the coin via a 10X loop prior to purchasing. The seller benefited because the coin being sold had more credibility therefore resulting in higher yields for the coin on E-bay or a brick/mortar coin shop.
I know the bottom line is "buy the coin and not the holder", however, a few unscrupulous sellers in the past who were ripping off unsuspecting buyers eventually created a demand for T.P.G.'s.

Thats my story and I'm sticking to it!

Glenn
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10/30/2011 8:35 pm
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 Posted 10/30/2011  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add david mackenzie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For all the older collectors of graded coins,if anything goes wrong you know exactly what the collection is worth to whom you leave the collection to and for insurance purposes.
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 Posted 10/30/2011  11:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Secret Argent Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Imagine having two coins-- an MS69 and an MS70-- and trying to tell which is which. Particularly on the fly, at a coin shop or show and the light is not absolutely perfect. I for one doubt I could do it with any reasonable amount of accuracy.

Basically (ideally) a good TPG allows a non-contestible assignation of grade and with it the value of the coin. It tries to take what was a subjective individual process and turn it into an "absolute." Also any varieties like a repunched mintmark or doubling can be confirmed easily, something which even experienced collectors can have problems with because often the difference is microscopic and there's so many of them.

Basically I think the point is that you know what you have in front of you... it is not a "really nice looking coin" it is an MS-65 coin. It is not a "strange looking mint mark" it is a d/s, listing #xxxx.

And of course the other issues already mentioned: a confirmation of authenticity, protection, assignation of value, etc.
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 Posted 10/31/2011  09:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Colhand1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The whole point of getting a coin/banknote graded is that you made an investment in this item.

You want to protect your investment.

Having a 3rd party grading company encapsulate it gives you protection from the elements and solidifies your value.

Anybody now who holds this certified coin can check a publication to see what the RETAIL value of the coin should be.
But who pays retail these days?
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 Posted 10/31/2011  7:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add North of 49 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you.
there are a few points here I had not considered, I'm glad I asked.
I guess the hard part would be knowing where to draw the line, in other words knowing what value of coin is worth getting graded.
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Think of TPG grading as "value added"...

If having it graded adds $6 of value upon resale, then the cost of $6 to get it graded is worth it...

I think many coins rise at least $6 in value upon grading.
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 Posted 11/01/2011  7:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add North of 49 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
$6 that's helpful, this gives me something a little more tangible to work with.
Thanks Danlos
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Man, sadly, I understand that people rip other people off, but I still remove the coins from their holders and stick them into "my" pretty albums .... it's the only way, for "me"!

but yes, if and when I want to sell my coins, I realize that I will probably have to get them all re-graded ... but for now, I don't want my coins in hard plastic, lousy-to-store cases ...

=> to me, it's a bit like keeping your pets in cages

; )
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...except they do have a vested interest in the coin. Not directly, but I've read here that dealers who bring in more work for TPGs (in bulk) get the better rates. I'm sure they get some grade-flation as well.

The hard part - for me - is not authenticating coins that I know, but trying to authenticate TPG holders that I do not really know.

Where is this $6 figure coming from?
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11/01/2011 8:04 pm
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 Posted 11/01/2011  9:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Smallcentguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ICCS charges $6 for I think over 100 coins in a batch
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 Posted 11/02/2011  6:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add littlemoney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
More bang for your buck when you want to sell.
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For people selling, a third party grade in theory mediates the bias of the buyer and seller in the transaction. While a few fall between the cracks, generally an EF from a good TPG is going to be pretty close. This has been a huge driver in the explosion of the amount of coins offered online in the last decade or so.

As a collector, my primary interest in TPG slabs is the preservation of coins. My favorite at the moment is the CCCS hard slab, even though an ICCS holder is cheaper and likely to generate a few more dollars at the time of sale.
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