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Why Buy "Junk" Silver Coins?

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 Posted 11/05/2011  10:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add barryg to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it ever gets to the point where I'm interested in buying pure silver bullion simply for the sake of owning silver, I guess I could see buying junk silver coins if I could get them at current melt value, since there's always a premium on other forms of silver. But other than that, looking at old, worn-out coins brings me no joy whatever. Taking out a roll of BU Morgan dollars and looking at them, on the other hand, just makes my little heart go pitter-pat.

The father of one of my son's friends asked for my advice a couple of months ago about a fairly large stash of silver coins that he had inherited from his grandmother. A lot of Morgans, Walking Liberties, Franklins, Kennedys, etc., but all in pretty poor condition. I told him the coins probably wouldn't be worth too much to collectors due to their condition, but he would probably do well to sell them as "junk" silver on ebay or elsewhere since silver was over $40/ounce at the time. I didn't even make an offer on them, since I really wasn't looking to own a big box of worn coins. He did list one roll of dimes on ebay, but then the silver price dropped and he got frustrated with all the fees involved and decided to just hold onto them for now after all.

Well, after reading all the comments on this thread, I told his wife yesterday to let him know that I would be willing to pay him melt value for the larger coins (dollars and halves) if he is interested. I'm still not crazy about owning a bunch of worn out coins, but I guess it would be worth it if the price were right. Plus, I'd then have the time to go through them carefully and see if there are any key dates.

We'll see what he has to say...
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I agree with your view on coins, Barry. While I am a bullion collector, I also enjoy looking at the older US silver coins if they are in good condition. While 90% silver coins are great, I do not collect the "culls" that are out there. Old, worn, and beat-up doesn't do a thing for me. The 90% coins that I have purchased have mostly been in condition F-XF or better. The AUs and BUs are my favorites... and that includes a tube of F-XF Walking Liberty halves, a tube of Kennedy Proof halves, a tube of Kennedy BU halves, and a tube of Roosevelt BU dimes.

I have to confess that I make a bit of an exception for the Morgan dollars and will buy them if they are in at least GOOD condition. Most of them are in XF condition with a few AUs and BUs in there.

Peace dollars are not that special to me but, again, if they are in GOOD condition, I will buy them to use as trading material or to sell later on at a higher price.
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I have a dealer I buy from and he just always has a ton of coinage but I only buy it if it is cheap. Right now melt is like 25x and I am having a hard time getting 23X. Morgans and Peace dollars are different as I never sell them and they will almost always carry a premium. Hit me up if you want to trade some of those dollars I have a bunch of ASE I am willing to part with. GL on the collection
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I have noticed a strong favoritism of Morgans over Peace dollars.

I agree, I like the Morgan design in preference myself. Probably a much larger field of numismatic study with Morgans as well.

Although I have nearly 100 U.S. coins, I do not consider myself a U.S. specialist. Much better for me to defer to better opinions in the CCF.

These factors make me agree with Ed_B when considering U.S. silver.

I DO confess to having some junk silver, (which has originated from all over the World), but is has been acquired from being part of some other purchase. At least, what holdings I have in this regard, is highly varied and equally as interesting, but still junk.
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I agree with your view on coins, Barry. While I am a bullion collector, I also enjoy looking at the older US silver coins if they are in good condition. While 90% silver coins are great, I do not collect the "culls" that are out there. Old, worn, and beat-up doesn't do a thing for me. The 90% coins that I have purchased have mostly been in condition F-XF or better. The AUs and BUs are my favorites... and that includes a tube of F-XF Walking Liberty halves, a tube of Kennedy Proof halves, a tube of Kennedy BU halves, and a tube of Roosevelt BU dimes.


Definitely a kindred spirit, Ed!

A couple of weeks ago, when silver dipped briefly back down to about $30/oz., I decided it was time to buy a little more. I thought about getting some pure bullion and also considered going after some "junk" silver coins, but in the end I bought a roll of BU Kennedy half dollars, a roll of proof Kennedy half dollars, a roll of BU Franklin half dollars, a roll of proof Franklin half dollars and a roll of BU Walking Liberty half dollars. Up until this point, my entire silver "hoard" consisted of a variety of individual coins and some rolls of Morgan and Peace dollars, and I just really love these new acquisitions even if I did end up paying a lot more than melt value for them.

It's funny -- I justify these purchases to my wife as investments in silver, since she has no interest in coin collecting. To myself, however, I justify the purchases as opportunities to buy some really beautiful coins, since I really have no interest in investing in silver...
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As a scrap gold biz owner and an outsider to coins, I expect to have a different perspective than diehard coin and bullion collectors. But it's interesting how folks evolve into the same point of view: silver coins are cool and they SHOULD sell for a bit over spot silver.

What amazes me as someone who often has more silver coins than I need is the disparity of value that various coins have.

In other words, Morgans always sell for a significant amount over spot. Peace dollars also, but a bit less than morgans.

Mercs sell for more than Roosies, but Washington silver quarters sell for more than SLQ's.

And don't get me started in foreign silver coins. Getting spot for them (Mexican coins, particularly) is difficult for me.
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From what I know you can pick up junk silver at spot but buying some of the bars and rounds there seems to be a small premium over spot, at least from a BM dealer. I can buy junk silver and such at spot all day long but throw in bars or rounds or ASE's and it's usually over spot. Besides, a bag of say, 50oz of junk silver looks more impressive than just 50oz of bars or rounds. I guess it's just psychological I suppose.
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Yeah. On ebay, my "junk" typically sells for a bit above spot. But then ebay and paypal fees take it a bit below spot.

I'd gladly sell my silver coins at spot, or just a bit above, if I didn't have to pay them their commissions.
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Definitely a kindred spirit, Ed!




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I bought a roll of BU Kennedy half dollars, a roll of proof Kennedy half dollars, a roll of BU Franklin half dollars, a roll of proof Franklin half dollars and a roll of BU Walking Liberty half dollars.

Excellent choices, Barry. Those are all great coins.


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I just really love these new acquisitions even if I did end up paying a lot more than melt value for them.

There are times for haggling the price as low as possible and there are other times when a guy can just give a little to get what he wants. I try to be reasonable when dealing with my local coin sellers. They have to make enough to keep the doors open and the lights on and I want them to do that so they will be available to me for shopping. It is nice to be able to look at and hold coins up close before buying them.


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I justify these purchases to my wife as investments in silver, since she has no interest in coin collecting. To myself, however, I justify the purchases as opportunities to buy some really beautiful coins, since I really have no interest in investing in silver...

I do something similar. I tell my wife that I am not spending money, I am merely changing money from one form to another. I could go on for hours telling her about good money vs. bad money and how bad the Fed is but those arguments would fall upon deaf ears. My wife is a terrific lady but her only interest in money is 1) how much does she have; and 2) how well does it spend. Other than that, she has no interest in it. That WILL change if we ever get into a collapsing dollar situation, which is possible. At that point, I am sure that she will be VERY interested in MY silver.
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I have a dealer I buy from and he just always has a ton of coinage but I only buy it if it is cheap. Right now melt is like 25x and I am having a hard time getting 23X.....


I finally made it to my local coin shop last week. (Only open from 9 to 5 Monday - Friday) He offered 15X for my silver Washington quarters when spot was 24.5X. I didn't even try to negotiation, just said no thanks and left. Between his inconvenient hours and low ball offer I won't be back. My jeweler down the road does way better than that and is open on Saturday.
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15x?

Man, hurry up 250 posts!
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As a bullion collector and a coin collector I buy junk silver when I can get it at spot and if there is nothing else available I want to buy. Initially I did buy quite a bit on E-bay just to bulk up my collection. But I almost always got it for below spot. That's not so easy to do anymore.
Lately I've just been getting bullion or if I need a coin to add to one of my collections I'll get it if it's in better grade.
Haven't bought any "junk" silver in quite some time
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15x?

Man, hurry up 250 posts!


I thought it was an exceptionally low offer. I suspect I could have done better at the cash for gold place below him. I got a weird vibe from the place. He had almost no inventory on display, just two 6 foot displace cases with some ASE and such. He had another case with some US Mint proof sets. Not much inventory at all. The odd thing was that you had to be buzzed through the door and the owner and his son had glocks on their hips. (This is a nice, low crime, suburban location) I got the idea that maybe coins weren't their main business.
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I thought it was an exceptionally low offer.

You would be right about that. It WAS an exceptionally low offer. Clearly, these guys think that you don't know what these coins are really worth and are trying to take advantage of that presumed fact. Good job not allowing them to do that.


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I got a weird vibe from the place.

There isn't a thing wrong with paying attention to instinct. Those subtle warning vibes are there for a reason. If that reason is not especially clear, then trust your instincts that something is there that isn't good. Sometimes we cannot put things into words that are quite real nonetheless.


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The odd thing was that you had to be buzzed through the door and the owner and his son had glocks on their hips.

Makes one wonder how they would react to a customer coming into their shop with a pistol on his hip.
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