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Lacquered Ceylon 1892 5 Cents: A Job For Ncs?

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 Posted 11/01/2011  11:01 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add rexvictor to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello everyone,

I recently purchased a beautiful Ceylon 1892 5 cent in AU condition. It's one of my favorite coins but I believe it has lacquer on it. Is this a job for NCS? Has anyone had experience with them removing lacquer on copper and holdering the coin? Please share your thoughts.

I'm actually not 100% sure it is lacquer--is there anything to lose by letting it soak in Verdi-Care for awhile?

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 Posted 11/01/2011  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Probably nothing to lose. You may also consider soaking it in pure acetone, but if there is any patina beneath the lacquer, it can cause unnatural color changes.

No reason to pay for NCS service, seeing as it would be automatically slabbed with a details grade if coming to NGC from NCS. If the soak does a really good job, you just might get a number grade slab.
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 Posted 11/01/2011  10:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brokencompass to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Please don't chemically treat it yet. Laquer has been known to be used in British India proofs. Post a picture so experts may determine if it is a proof or not. If it is a proof it may be worth much more and worth sending to NCS for cleaning and grading.
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 Posted 11/01/2011  11:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That does not apply to proofs of any other countries.

Copper coins were often lacquered as an early means of preservation, or oiled to hide unappealing surface features.

A clear picture would definitely be very helpful here, I agree on that.
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 Posted 11/02/2011  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rexvictor to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the replies--I want to do the best for this awesome coin, which is 34mm and really thick!

I don't believe it is a proof, however I've never seen a proof of this issue and don't know what type of surfaces it would have. The strike is very good (which is typical for these coins) and there's a beautiful luster beneath whatever is on it. The 100k jpeg doesn't do the best job of showing the coating on the surface.

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 Posted 11/02/2011  12:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rexvictor to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Found a proof with many similarities to my coin:

http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotvi...c2cfa81341ce
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Actually the one you linked looks suspiciously like a normal strike. I guess that may be why the seller never bothered to have it slabbed.

The irregular rim, poor separation of rim and denticles, and spiraling metal flow on the surface are pretty typical of regular issues, such as I can see on your coin, the one you linked, and this slabbed one here: http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...&lotNo=61028

The Ceylon proofs from this era have very smooth fields and a wider, flatter rim that is sharply separated from the denticles all around.
Couldn't find many out there, but here is an 1891 proof Half Cent: http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...&lotNo=13015
and this lot shows an 1892 5 cents that is a circulated proof: http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...=21528#Photo

You can see the difference in the 3 coins mentioned in the first paragraph and the two in the second.


A cautionary note: removing the lacquer or oil or whatever from the surface may reveal significant discoloration that you may not like at all. You have to decide if eye appeal is more important to you than originality or vice-versa.
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 Posted 11/03/2011  8:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rexvictor to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the tips, everyone! I'm back with some pics to show the results. I had to resort to the ANACS-recommended rolled q-tip with acetone method for some stubborn spots. It's a definite improvement, though I was expecting a more dramatic result.

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