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Error $20 Bill, Or Just Sloppy?

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Hi all

Firstly, I am not a currency/coin collector. I have some items in a tiny "collection", but I don't actively collect.

Having said that, I am here from the stamp forum to ask you all about this $20 I have.

My graphics program won't allow me to use/save a scan or photo of the full bill. Below is all I can show you:

Error-$20-Bill,-Or-Just-Sloppy?

The seal is all messed up. Nothing else printed in black looks messy like this. The bill has the watermark, strip, etc.

Is this an error, or just a sloppy bill that got past quality control?

JD
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 Posted 11/02/2011  6:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a printing error of too much ink or blob of ink, doubt it has much value beyond face.
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 Posted 11/02/2011  7:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nells250 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is what I was thinking. I just have never seen such a smudge on paper money before. Thought it was odd. When you feel the seal, it has a "thickness" to it. I might keep in anyway... we shall see...
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Generally the first note in a bundle has the serial number look like that, I haven't ever seen the seal look that way, but I suspect there is a connection. I think it has something to do with COPE-PAK processing the bundle and smearing the top note's overprint. And before you ask COPE-PAK IS Currency Overprinting, Processing Equipment and Packaging. Machines employed by the Bureau of Engraving and Printing to first overprint currency, examine it for quality control, and then cut, band, and shrink-wrap the newly printed notes. The finished product looks like the picture below. By the first note I mean it was at the top of one of these due to the serial number ending in 001:


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Hmmmm... interesting... so my note was the top bill in such a pack?
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Yes those bundles have a thousand notes in them so the first number is either going to be 001 or a star note. The last serial will either be 000 or a star and if the first note is 9001 then the last two notes will automatically be star notes since serials ending in 9999 and 0000 are not intentionally circulated on modern notes.
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Wow, I just learned something...and I have never seen a pack of bills like that. Then again, I haven't seen much American money or an American bank in quite a while.
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"9999 and 0000 are not intentionally circulated on modern notes."

Why is this? You've got me really interested.
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Those two sheets are pulled and inspected to make sure everything is printing properly (and that the digits on the serial number rolled over correctly) and then burned. The two sheets are replaced at the time they are pulled with star note sheets to keep everything running.

Also be aware that when one note on a sheet ends with a certain number like 0000 then ALL notes on that sheet end in the same numbers since notes on a sheet are not consecutive.

Once in a while those two sheets will slip by and be circulated so when you find a 9999 or 0000 note in circulation save it as it is a collectors item. So far I have found one, but it is from the 60's before those sheets were regularly pulled for inspection.
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i have seen a strap where somebody got the last bills in it. the one that end 9999 and 0000 and the series was 2009.
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As a fan of the denomination, I could go for a brick of $2s. A brick of $50s or $100s would be fantasyland on my budget.
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Quote:
As a fan of the denomination, I could go for a brick of $2s.


A brick of $2's is 4 bundles, so 4 x 1000 x $2 = $8000
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