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 Posted 11/05/2011  7:07 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add araignee to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have 5 Chinese coins that I have been unable to either identify or determine whether they are genuine. Any information on their value and importance would be much appreciated!

Top left: appears to be a commemorative coin for empress Dowager Cixi
Top middle: Auto Dollar (year 17), extremely valuable IF real (but copies abound)
Top right: Fat Man coin (year 3). Is it real?
Bottom left: appears to be a commemorative coin for emperor Guangxu
Bottom right: Coin with old Chinese script

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I can post individual detail photos as necessary. Cheers!
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 Posted 11/06/2011  01:08 am  Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure what the coins are mimicking but they defiantly look like cast copies.
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 Posted 11/06/2011  03:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
#1 and #4 are fantasies; no genuine coins were ever made with those designs.

#2 is the scarce and popular "auto dollar", as you pointed out.

#3 is the very common "fat man" dollar, but being common does not necessarily make it less likely to be fake. I own a fake one of these, with very similar black "spray-painted" toning.

#5 is China's first dollar, the "Old Man Dollar" of Taiwan, 1837-1845. Also popular and scarce, like #2. There's no pic on the NGC page for this coin.

Finding super-rarities, common coins and fantasies all mixed together like this is a sure sign that they're all replicas. If you know that they all came from the same source, they're definitely all fakes. But from the look of them, I'd have to condemn them stylistically, too.

If you want to reassure yourself that they're definitely fake, the first and simplest test is a magnet. If they stick, they're modern steel fakes. If they don;t stick, try weighing them. The Old Man should weigh 26.8 grams, the auto dollar should be 25.8 grams, the Fat Man 26.4 grams. The typical replicas being made by the truckload in China don't weigh anywhere near that, typically 21-22 grams.
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 Posted 11/06/2011  04:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you bought them, congradulations for contributing funds for a counterfeiting ring. Now they will have more money to counterfeit more coins. With that money, you could have bought yourself a catalog. It isn't that expensive either: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chinese-coi...em3cbe023818

All of them as mentioned by Sap are counterfeits or fantasies. The Kweichow counterfeit you have has bad rims hence it's out.

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Thanks for the feedback. I got them about 10-15 years ago in China for pretty cheap, and didn't buy them for value, so I'm not too disappointed.

I'll definitely need to weight them. They don't stick to magnets, which was at least a positive sign. I suspected #1 and #4 to be outright tokens of sorts, though who knows if they're old. #5 appears to be too well made as per this image: http://www.mcsearch.info/record.html?id=76618
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the one on the top left is a japanese old Yen & not chinese..always confused that.
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Chinese coins are becoming more & more difficult to find authentic ones these days.
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There is no Japanese coin in this lot.
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