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1794 Large Cent

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 Posted 11/05/2011  11:56 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jeffrose to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
G-4 ? Would also like any input on Sheldon variety if possible in this grade. Also, while I'm picking your brains on varieties, would appreciate if you took a look at my second post, the 1793 Wreath. https://goccf.com/t/99889


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 Posted 11/06/2011  12:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have no idea how it would grade, must be porous, and have other issues but I would value it as VG8 or VG10 and feel good about it.
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i like it as a G with VG values, too.

cool coin!
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I'm thinking more like VG/F. There is some micro-porosity in the enlarged photo, but I bet it isn't noticable to the naked eye. Looks like a possible well preserved ground find. I'm amazed at how few abrasions are present.
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It has VF Details and has that look of being a metal detector find....I have many that are identical in color/texture. Nice coin anyway you cut it ;)
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 Posted 11/06/2011  01:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chancellor Sutler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't have the book, but that bisecting die break right across Liberty's face, ought to make that one pretty easy to attribute. I'd bet that a few minutes on teh Heritage site looking at completed auctions and you could determine the variety.

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 Posted 11/06/2011  08:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jeffrose to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Chance - still a newbie - my untrained eye can't see the die break. Can you explain where you see it? Thanks.
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 Posted 11/06/2011  08:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dabronson to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am very new to large cents, but I believe this is an S-23 (rarity 4+), Breen State V (break through the jaw and a faint second break from the bridge of the nose to the right edge of the Y). For the EAC grade, I would probably say VF20 net VG8, with average minus condition. Again I am very new to this and so defer to more experienced members.
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I would guess this to be at least a fine details dug coin. The die break from the rim to the cap and extending all the way across Liberty's face to the pole is probably the reason the reverse is somewhat weak in the center. Another very nice coin Jeff!
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 Posted 11/06/2011  10:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguybrian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Concur with VF details, this coin has a lot of detail that is obscured by porousity.
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Looks like S23. Obv crack matches along with Rev six berries on left stem and seven on right pictured below. Noyes = R4+ but someone else may be able to confirm if this still holds true today. Nice one!
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Rayman - thanks for the input on both. I have the Overton book coming this week & soon hope to be able to help with Bust Half varieties.
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Picked up a good deal on Noyes Vol.1 earlier this year. The pictures are a big improvement over Penny Whimsy. With the Overton Book for half bust I believe the consensus on the forum is to pickup the 3rd edition. Enjoy!
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I agree it's an S-23
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I would go with F/VF details.
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Keeping in mind that I consistently grade conservatively by today's standards as I was taught by my grandfather back in 1971, I think the obverse has F15 details and the reverse is AG3 due to the worn lettering. This would make a net grade of VG8 - a very respectable grade for a coin a 200+ year old coin. I would value it around VG money.

This coin is definitely a S-23, die state IV.5, rarity 4 (according to Breen). The die break does not appear to be complete from the nose to the rim, but I can very faintly see the beginning of it. In addition to Penny Whimsy, I use the Breen Encyclopedia of US Large Cents 1793-1814. The pictures are better and it provides the corresponding Sheldon numbers with the Breen numbers.
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