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Very good detective work. The coin still looks bad but using any picture other than one of the coin it's self is always a fraud.
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Pillar of the Community
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His other fake coins - won't report those I'm not sure... When you say that, I hope you mean "Of course I know damned well they're fake also, BUT I can't explain that simply to the ebay complaint desk." Don't go crazy trying to save the world with these obvious ripoffs... If all these coins actually DO get legitimate bids... then what you have is people willing to spend several hundred to (in the case of that 1776 "Chile" junk 8R) several THOUSAND dollars who aren't employing basic research before doing so. That's just plain dumb and/or naive and/or lazy. Even if you're a true addicted ebay bidiot who has never read a coin forum, attended a coin show, looked at a legit high-end coin auction, etc. (and there is no reason for ANY of that in this age of information)... JUST BY STUDYING ebay for a while, one should be able to figure out that pieces like this are suspect... I mean come on, how many of these 1762 Spain 8R have to be out there for people to get a clue? "Hmmm, gee whiz, an awful lot of these same really rare and valuable coins keep popping up from East Asia, which is notorious for supplying the world with knockoff everything... Well, I WONDER IF..." Do you suppose these guys have the decency to send you a fake Rolex or Coach bag free with purchase? To be cynical... I wonder how many of these are actually being bought by people who are amateur crooks themselves who know they're fake (as opposed to sucker collectors)... Maybe to use as weekend flea market material, etc? |
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Actually crooks would get those directly in china at a cheap price :) They'll happily send you a batch of their last production for a cheap price.
And about reporting them ... well had it been done when I started, I would have same some $$$ (I started collecting because I liked the look of the coin among other things, not because they were expensive and sold for cheap). What bothers me here is that the guy is selling his crap in Spain (would be the same for France, Uk, USA ...).
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"Well had it been done when I started, I would have (saved) some $$$..."
Eh... As they say, buy the book before the coin... ESPECIALLY when dropping 3-figures and 4-figures on them. I'm all for alerting people to really deceptive fakery... but when people get duped by something which is obvious crap to anyone who is paying attention (and if someone is dropping large sums of money on a collectible, they SHOULD be paying attention)... I really can't feel sorry for them. E.g., a 1776 Santiago 8R = obvious. I do still think someone was messing with with the seller on that, however...
Keep alerting the general public via venues like this forum... If buyers are smart, they will seek out information and figure things out for themselves.
Concerning where they come from... Would it be a lot neater and easier to think "WE" (in the West) are honest, and "THEY" are the ones you have to watch out for, both from a collecting standpoint AND a societal standpoint? Yeah... but that's simply not the case. It does bother me more as well when the seller is one of "us" (like it appears the 1776 Santiago guy was)... but unfortunately, that's how things are.
I will say, however, that you can sort of infer that a lot of the sellers of the Asian crap who are apparently operating out of the U.S., England, continental Europe, etc. (in other words, NOT East Asia) are probably Asians now living in those places with obvious connections back home.
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I didn't dropped 3 of 4 figures on crap, but was close to 3 figures once. Hopefully it didn't happened too often, and it was at the beginning :)
Anyway, seems crap always sell, you often see it going away at high prices (at least too high compared to what it is)
And I don't want to think that way - else I would resell the crap I bought to other noobs ...
If everyone does that, you'll end with a collector nightmare with many fakes circulating (and only few able to identify fakes - as they'll improve over time).
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By the way... Should probably take a good, critical look at that 1762 piece on the Spanish forum. At the least, its surfaces have been harshly cleaned/manipulated... Two unquestionably authentic pieces just below, followed by the Spanish forum piece... Thoughts?  |
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Humm, looks odd actually - the 1 on the date (all the 1 actually, as well as the bottom of the H, A), the details in the shield (left fleur de lys, center lion for example)
I didn't took time to compare it but I didn't liked the look as well back them for some reason ...
I wish we could see the rim of the genuine ones :)
What else did you noticed / what do you think about it ? (except that it has been cleaned)
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11/09/2011 1:38 pm
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BTW, according to their look, the rim of the coin seems to have been done post strike. Do you confirm ? (let's see if I learned well from our last topic about this)
I suppose the rim was done pre-strike at this time, no ?
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The edge design on the (2) originals does look pre-strike, same method which the Mexican pieces (I believe) had fully switched over to by this time.
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