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Severus Alexander Billon Tetradrachm From Alexandria

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Every now and then I buy a coin on impulse rather than it forming part of one of my collections. I recently obtained the following coin.

Severus Alexander Billon Tetradrachm
Obv:- A KAI MAP AY CEY ALEXANDPOC, Laureate, cuirassed bust right
Rev:- Dikaiosyne seated left on facing throne, holding scales and cornucopia.
Minted in Alexandria. Year 7 (LZ in upper left field). A.D. 227/228.
Reference:- Milne 3017. Emmett 3097 (7) Rated as R5 citing the Milne coin. Geissen -. Dattari 4296.

Severus-Alexander-Billon-Tetradrachm-From-Alexandria

It is a decent coin with what I consider to be particularly nice style, especially the portrait. The rarity is simply an added bonus.
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Very nice coin with excellent detail and patina, would love to have one of these.
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I was watching a similar coin on ebay just recently, but decided against buying when the price got too rich for my blood. Tetradrachm of Alexandria have generally very nice coin design and I find them interesting and fascinating. This one of yours has a beautiful portrait, and I am totally envious . I also think these Tetradrachm have significant weight as well. I have a Numerian that is only 19mm but weighs 6.74g. The heft of these coins feels much better in hand then say a like sized Denarius at about 3.5g.

Your have a great coin I think anyone of us would love to see in our own collections.

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Great portrait detail...and nice photograph too!
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Beautiful coin - thanks for sharing, the reverse is a particularly pleasing design.

Hope that green on his ear isn't anything to worry about!
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I have heard the theory that the dies for Alexander coins of Alexandria may have been prepared at Rome rather than locally. The style does not look like what we see from Septimius or Gordian who struck more Eastern looking coin styles. What do you think?
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I have heard the theory that the dies for Alexander coins of Alexandria may have been prepared at Rome rather than locally.


This is something I've wondered before generally with Roman coins. The Romans were a pretty organised bunch and somehow the 'main' mint (wherever it was situated with regards to where the incumbents power base and seat was) has to communicate to the other mints what bust characteristics were to be used on the new issuers coins.

This would have to be done by transporting something physical from the 'main' mint to all of the outlying ones be it a die, a 'first-off', a proof or something pictorial. If your going to send something why not a bust die, maybe even a die set. We know that a skilled die cutter could produce a single die in as little as a day so it would not be a huge stretch of the imagination to believe initial examples were made centrally then shipped out.

Over time local mints styles would take slightly different paths with new dies giving us the subtle (sometimes not) differences we see on the majority of the coinage as a whole. Perhaps the rarity of the above coin hints to it being made by one of these 'sample' dies and then none, or very few new ones being cut locally to dilute the population and give the overall issue an Alexandria style?

This is one of the situations where Archaeologists would staunchly argue 'no' because of lack of evidence but anyone who has worked in manufacturing or planning, dare I say it anyone with an ounce of common sense would support it as a sensible and efficient solution to the problem of communicating and standardising the new coinage.

I have no idea if this has been investigated in the past, would be very surprised if it hadn't but it seems plausible to me, anyone else?
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Interesting subject to discuss. I think whoever made the dies for this coin, was especially skilled; the portrait has a lot of life.
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I think whoever made the dies for this coin, was especially skilled


I agree, its the work of a very talented craftsman, always pleasing to look at.

Having re-read the attribution info I see that this is a year 7 issue so perhaps my above points don't fit fully. But I would add to the above that I think any kind of central standardisation would be an ongoing thing with samples being centrally distributed regularly for new issues or comparison.
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This is something I've wondered before generally with Roman coins. The Romans were a pretty organised bunch and somehow the 'main' mint (wherever it was situated with regards to where the incumbents power base and seat was) has to communicate to the other mints what bust characteristics were to be used on the new issuers coins.

This would have to be done by transporting something physical from the 'main' mint to all of the outlying ones be it a die, a 'first-off', a proof or something pictorial. If your going to send something why not a bust die, maybe even a die set. We know that a skilled die cutter could produce a single die in as little as a day so it would not be a huge stretch of the imagination to believe initial examples were made centrally then shipped out.

It's my understanding - though I can't recall from where I derived it - that the "something physical" which was transported to each mint was an official portrait or bust, which could be considered the "master die" (even though it was not coin-sized nor coin-shaped) from which the working dies were copied.

We know for certain that such "official portraits" were sent around the Empire for other purposes. For example, we have the famous instance recorded of Constantine's portrait being sent to rival emperors Galerius, and later Maxentius, who were both less than pleased to receive it.

Transporting actual coin dies, in an age where corruption, piracy and banditry were relatively probable, would have been asking for trouble.
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