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1776 8 Reales Sold On Ebay For $2550.00

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 Posted 11/06/2011  10:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Apollo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is it a real one.
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 Posted 11/06/2011  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RealPeso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What mint is that? I don't collect to many of these and I don't think I've seen that mintmark before.
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 Posted 11/07/2011  12:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The mint is Santiago Chile - the coin looks pretty good to me. I would need to see it in person to make a comment on originality.
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I thought the 1776 Santiago was only known as an overdate (1776/5). This one does not look like an overdate. The coin also looks wrong to me, really wrong. The obverse has good detail, shoulder clasp, hair detail, armor detail all looks sharp. The reverse looks worn and and flat like a bad transfer image. Why the different degrees of wear between obverse and reverse. I also don't like the way the edge looks, no wear at all and way too thick of an outline on the circles. I haven't had a chance to see many Santiago 8's but this one raises the hair on the back of my neck and not in a good way. SwamperBob, have you ever seen an edge detail like this one with the outline of the circles so thick?
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I am reluctant to hazard an opinion on this one. I have looked at it a few times now and I get no real solid opinion. I did notice the difference in appearance but had chalked it up to corrosion on one side - not differential wear. If the coin does show actual wear - I would expect to see a much more damaged edge.

I have seen a very similar rather heavy edge design before on coins that are almost certainly real. However, there are very few Santiago coins in my file and my data on the edge designs used there is VERY spotty.

But all that said I would never have bid on the coin as real because I would expect that such a rare coin would be graded with at least "genuine".
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 Posted 11/07/2011  03:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First off, I'm hesitant to believe this thing legitimately went for that money, and that's a very odd bidding pattern near the top... methinks a vigilante may have been messing with with things here (not I, as I am not that bold, and certainly don't care enough about protecting someone who would want to flush clearly undeserved disposable income/savings on something like this).

Aside from that... I'm surprised that anyone would even entertain the notion for a millisecond that this turd has even smelled a real coin in its life, let alone IS one. Forget even looking at the metal disc, common sense ALONE here... Would anyone who has ever even set eyes upon a genuine Santiago Charles III 8R in this condition (which of COURSE happens to be the desirable magical key superdate of 1776, if we're gonna stick with the pandering to bidiots theme here) describe such a scarcity in this fashion?:

"EXTRA FINE CONDITION _RARE
I BOUGHT THIS ITEM OVER 30 YEARS AGO
THE COINS EDGE SHOWS ORIGINAL DETAIL THAT COPIES LACK
...
COMES IN PLASTIC CASE"

Plastic case? WOW, super, thanks! I was worried you were just gonna drop it in an envelope and lick a *^&%*in stamp... Edge detail that copies lack? What, doesn't say Made in China around the edge? Oh, and you bought it 30 years ago, huh? CERTAINLY not two years ago from China around early 2010, where the seller (36 FB, from China, and NARUed!) thanked him for his purchase of SPAIN/CHILE 1776 8R SILVER COIN VF! (#170413107634) with "very good!great buyer!Thank you!".

Clearly, the current seller bought that piece just to marvel at the originality of his OWN piece via comparison...
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Why the different degrees of wear between obverse and reverse

I also agree and wonder why?
In my case, given an opportune time, I would rather go for an 8 escudos instead of bidding this 8 reales amounting to 2.55k
Super high risk collection
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Now, regarding the "coin" itself:


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...The coin also looks wrong to me, really wrong. The obverse has good detail, shoulder clasp, hair detail, armor detail all looks sharp. The reverse looks worn and and flat like a bad transfer image. Why the different degrees of wear between obverse and reverse.... (Also) have you ever seen an edge detail like this one with the outline of the circles so thick?


I think this hits on major points... Let's leave the overdate aside - this is so rare, it would take advanced knowledge to be certain on that. The bust itself does look pretty good... though the bust I've seen on Santiago pieces around that year are a bit different in style (leave it at that). Significant flatness in certain areas (also look at the obv legend), all sorts of weirdness around the rims, and while Santiago's circles/rectangle design is something along those lines, it's off in terms of execution and apparent level of preservation. That's all that needs to be said to the captive audience...
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 Posted 11/07/2011  07:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Larryh86GT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When I initially saw this coin my first impression of it is that it was just too perfect. Especially the pristine edge. Maybe it is real(e) but it just looked wrong to me.
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 Posted 11/07/2011  09:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is no "maybe" - it's fake.
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realeswatcher You said


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CERTAINLY not two years ago from China around early 2010, where the seller (36 FB, from China, and NARUed!) thanked him for his purchase of SPAIN/CHILE 1776 8R SILVER COIN VF! (#170413107634) with "very good!great buyer!Thank you!".


Did you actually just go back in his feedback and run into that listing or do you have some sort of master list or rarities that have sold on ebay? That is remarkable detective work and casts serious doubt on the seller's honesty.
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I am posting the pictures of the coin because ebay listings disappear.

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Concerning the seller's honesty, I think there can be little doubt...

Detective work - Changing ebay ".com" to ".ph" works wonders...

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 Posted 12/06/2011  2:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Carlos J to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fake.
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I say he should've sent it in to be verified and slabbed before even trying to claim anything about it's authenticity.
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