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Nice error?

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 Posted 11/12/2011  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, the coin must have moved on a second blow.

What is the reverse type?

Nice find.
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 Posted 11/12/2011  1:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t0rress to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here the reverse


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I think buy this coin with other 3 coins :)
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 Posted 11/12/2011  1:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t0rress to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is with the other coins
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 Posted 11/12/2011  1:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice double strike. It seems that many more double strikes survived for the later Empire coinage. Gallienus took control of the Empire at a time when it was undergoing great crisis. His record in dealing with those crises is mixed, as he won a number of military victories but was unable to keep much of his realm from seceding. Thus striking more money to pay for his ever increasing needs.
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 Posted 11/12/2011  2:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For a double strike, I can't think of a more interesting place for it to be visible--nice coin!
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Nice double strike.
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Very nice error!
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 Posted 11/12/2011  4:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t0rress to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is it rare the errors in ancient coins and is this coin rare?
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Is it rare the errors in ancient coins and is this coin rare?


Although interesting these are not very rare t0rress, certainly not as rare as modern-day errors. The value may be slightly increased but most people want well centred, well struck coins. Generally the mis-stuck coins sell for less in ancient collecting.

I have a couple but they are not as attractive as yours.
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 Posted 11/12/2011  7:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is probably my best / worst?

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Never been able to ID it to an Emperor (so if anyone can I'd be grateful) but its definitely 3rd century and it looks to have circulated.
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 Posted 11/12/2011  8:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dougsmit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Most ancients would be considered errors by the standards applied to modern coins so an error has to be extreme to add value. These are often cheaper than regular coins simply because so few people like ugly. I'll offer two that I consider more unusual than most.



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This Claudius II / Pax is a double strike but the coin flipped over between the strikes so you get a mixture of obverse and reverse on each side.

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Brockages are caused by a coin sticking in the die and being used for the next coin as a backwards die. I always liked how you get details in the low spots like the head band here that have worn away on the obverse where they are the high points rather than the low.

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A very common error that adds no value is the clashed die. That results when a die is struck without a coin blank in place so the harder obverse die leaves an impression on the reverse die and every coin struck with it. What makes this Constantine I / Sol special is that it is also double struck so the shadow of the face (under Sol's arm) is doubled with an offset matching the two strikes. There are people who do not believe in clashed dies preferring to call the error 'restruck brockage' claiming that the reverse was struck a second time after removing the coin that stuck in the die that made the brockage. This is just wrong and is proven by coins like this that show the incuse was caused by the die damage (here doubled. To prove a restruck brockage you would need to find two of them from the same die set with the incuse parts in different places. No one has ever shown that set (because it doesn't exist, IMHO). This coin also demonstrates how large the reverse die punch was. See how the coin curled up around the edge of the punch. You only see this when, as here, a strike is off center by more than the extra space outside the design.


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 Posted 11/13/2011  12:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jessvc1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I need to get me an ancient double strike those look neat
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 Posted 11/13/2011  04:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eddop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting, Doug what about this Carus antoninianus, is it a clashed die?

Regards,
Ed

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 Posted 11/13/2011  5:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dougsmit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No. This is a doublestrike. See the small chin from one strike just under Carus' eye. There was rotation between the strikes rather than lateral offset. At the tor we see the tops of RVS letter about half a letter rotated from the second strike which erased most of the earlier strike. If you are interested in clashes, I have a number on a page:
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/do...h/brock.html

Below are two Julia Domna denarii struck from the same die set (you usually have to look at a lot of coins to find a die match). You can see clearly the incuse top of Julia's head upside down at the bottom on the reverse and the incuse letters DO at about 7 o'clock.
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 Posted 11/14/2011  03:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eddop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank's Doug for your explanation.

Ed
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