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Pillar of the Community
Netherlands
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What would you guys grade & value this? I hope it's MS65    |
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United States
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im guessing MS65 possibly ,not sure of value. nice coin man
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Are you sure it is a Business Strike and not a Proof? If so, that is a nice find! I cannot quite tell from the photos, it appears to have more of a satiny luster rather than a brilliant finish like a proof. If it is a Business Strike, it is certainly MS65 with a shot at 66/67 but most importantly, it has a Type B reverse. The Type B reverse is a proof design but it can also rarely be found on Business Strikes from 1956-1964. PUPs are the separation of E and S in STATES, arrow points below the leaf, stronger tail feathers, and strong leaves touching the top of LLA in DOLLAR.
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 Netherlands
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I have no idea what it exactly is Biokemist, the seller called it UNC. There was no other description in the ad, so I was hoping someone could help me. But I don't fully understand what youre saying about the Business Strike? I also checked in the catalogue, and was wondering why the Proof version is cheaper than MS65? And how would you value the coin? 1964 Normal -- -- -- -- -- 4.10 4.60 15.00(MS65) 6.00(Proof) Is it the following one?: 1964 Type B rev, proof rev die Inc. above -- -- -- 5.00 10.00 14.00 20.00 70.00 --  Edited by Kingz
11/14/2011 1:23 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Business strike= coinage meant for circulation, I am not sure if you use the same terminology in Europe. 1964 proof Washingtons are quite common as far as silver proof Washingtons go, they have little value over silver spot unless it is a Cameo or Deep Cameo proof. MS65 is a reasonably high grade for an Unc Washington so that grade tends to have a decent premium and a Type B Reverse example would have an even higher premium than a normal Unc example.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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As clean as those fields are, I would have to call it 66+. Check out those wingtips! Hairlines are a bit weak? Maybe it is the lighting . . . .
Then again, that luster on the cheek and neck does look like a proof.
Edited by Jon K
11/14/2011 11:11 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Netherlands
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first of all thanks guys for replying, but now I'm really confused on what it is for sure..  And what is 66+ (UNC, Business Strike or Proof?) If I'm looking to sell it, what should I ask for it (or what would you guys pay)? Because it's a big gap between $6 / $15 & $70 I will make some other pictures tomorrow, but I know the seller has a lot of US coins and has well enough knowledge of knowing it would be a proof coin. But I will send an e-mail just to be sure, if he knows something about it! Edited by Kingz
11/15/2011 7:49 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Do you have this coin in hand? If so, take a picture of the edge along side another quarter. Proofs have a sharp squared edge that looks quite different from the edge of a business strike. Do the fields have any reflectivity?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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66+ is the grade and just means it is at the high end of the 66 grade range. The grade is used for both business and proof strikes so it would be MS-66+ for business strikes and PR-66+ or PF-66+ for proof strikes. Both PR and PF are used interchangeably to designate a proof.
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Pillar of the Community
Netherlands
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I have send an email to the seller, and he replied with that it does not reflect as a mirror enough to be a proof. I can concur with that in respect to some own proofs I have (other types, non US) In the meanwhile I made some extra pictures, unfortunatly I was late home from work so have to take it in artificial light. And my camera has no screen, so all on gut feeling... and they came out pretty bad  But hopefully good enough for someone to determine what it is, because if it ain't a proof. It could be pretty "rare" if I'm correct?! I try better pics tomorrow!    Edited by Kingz
11/18/2011 10:07 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'm going to use Occam's Razor and tell you that based on the photo I believe it is a proof. It is possible for proofs to not have that glassy appearance. The reverse is a proof reverse, as Biokmst has mentioned. It is indeed very rare for that reverse to appear on a business strike. If the coin showed more grain I would be inclined to believe that it could be a business strike. If it was a business strike coin without those two spots- you could see this grade out at MS-67 and if that was the case you'd have a valuable coin. However, it is too glossy and too peculiar for me to think it's anything but a common proof coin. Could be wrong, I don't have the coin in hand... just playing the odds.
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Pillar of the Community
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Edited by Kingz
11/18/2011 12:03 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Unfortunately, based on the new pictures(especially the last one) I am certain it is a proof with a little bit of haze and not a business strike.
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Pillar of the Community
Netherlands
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Hmm, too bad... would be nice to find out it was the rare type. Ah well, I didn't pay much for it so did wel anyhow  So proof it will be then, thanks again Biokemist! |
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Posted 11/14/2011 02:48 am
Looking forward to some comments 
