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to stab your horse in the side with a sword, when you are fighting a dragon as this rider does on this 1889 Crown!



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 Posted 11/13/2011  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Apollo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lol, you do know he's not really stabbing his horse...right?
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Pistrucci's representation of St George is a 2D representation of a 3D event.
I'm happy to continue assuming that the sword is lined-up on the dragon's heart, ready for the final blow to be struck.
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uhh... yes, I am aware that it is from wear...I was just making a joke! Sorry to those who thought I was serious...I apologize
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As has been pointed out by other folks on other forums discussing this design, if you do the math, you find that it's actually impossible for St George to stab that dragon with that sword from where he's sitting, without St George falling off his horse - the horse is too tall, and/or the sword too short. I believe this "design error" comes about from combining a "period-correct" Roman short sword with a "period-definitely-incorrect" modern war horse.

The problem could have been resolved if Pistrucci had done what pretty much every other artist had done, and given St George a lance or spear rather than a sword.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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His royal Highness George 1V remarked that in Pistrucci's design that
St.George must have been a "damned poor rider"!
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actually Sap, Pistrucci did two versions: the first with a lance, broken into three pieces.
George is holding the stump of his lance; there is a piece on the ground (under the horse's rump); and the third piece (difficult to see) protrudes from the dragon's thorax. So, at this point of the story, George has already got a good blow in, and it now remains for him to finish the job, albeit with a poor choice of weapons.

The second version has two pieces of the lance visible: the bit protruding from the dragon; and the piece on the ground. The stump, however, is nowhere to be seen (cast away, perhaps ?), and George has his gladius in hand.

You'll need to look at near-Unc coins to discern the differences which I am referring to.

As far as I am aware, the first version was only used on the "Garter Sovereigns" 1817 to 1820 (KG3).
The second version was used on all Crowns from 1818; and on sovereigns from 1821 (KG4).

If you want a petty detail, the Wikipedia article, cited above, says:
"Traditionally, the sword with which St. George slew the dragon was called Ascalon, a name recalling the city of Ashkelon, Israel. From this tradition, the name Ascalon was used by Winston Churchill for his personal aircraft during World War II (records at Bletchley Park), since St. George is the Patron Saint of England."

I have seen another narrative which spells it Askeleon; and which says that this is the name of the lance, not the sword.

There is another Wiki-entry about St George, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_George
which says -
"In the medieval romances, the lance with which St George slew the dragon was called Ascalon, named after the city of Ashkelon in Israel."

and for continuing interest in the subject, see -
http://www.perthcathedral.org/News/...pletion.html
and the link at the bottom of that.

Sel: interesting story - do you have a source for that ?

Apparently, the design-concept belonged to Joseph BANKS.
St George was a metaphor for England, or King George, or Prince George, or perhaps, all of the above;
the dragon was a metaphor for Napoleon BONAPARTE, finally defeated in 1815; and this design first appeared on coinage in 1817.

Ahhh, what stories our coins can tell us ...
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