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I Think I Got Riped Off On Ebay....

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 Posted 11/14/2011  9:09 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Caferacer311 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Bought 2 mercs on ebay a 1921d and 1926s, they both looked like they have been cleaned, I paid 40 for the 1921 and 30 for the 1926...should I keep them or get a refund? I-Think-I-Got-Riped-Off-On-Ebay.... I-Think-I-Got-Riped-Off-On-Ebay....
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 Posted 11/14/2011  9:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They look as if they may have been dipped. So? The question is, are thses the pics you bought them under? Or if not, were the pics of similar quality. If so, then you got wht you see. If the pics were not this clear, why did you buy the coins in the first place? To not see and realize these are two low grade dipped coins, the pics would have to be nothing but a silve blur blob.

To be "ripped off" one has to be deceived. Told that these coins were XF grade and pics to support. Then to receive these particular coins. THAT would be being ripped off.

The 21 is an AG. That values at 55. The 26 is a 35 dollar coin in fine. I would give that a high end VG, so 30 bucks doesn't seem out of line. So no, you were not ripped off.
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 Posted 11/14/2011  9:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Caferacer311 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
the coins in the picture are the exact ones ill be reciving, but I emailed the seller and he told me that both have not been cleaned...to me they didnt look cleaned, now that other members on here say they might have been cleaned it rasies an eyebrow hmmm maybe they have been cleaned? now that I look at it more it looks like they have been cleaned. it dosent say on the details of the list just says 1926s Mercury dime..dosent say anything about being cleaned. my question is it worth to keep them or just refund my money
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 Posted 11/14/2011  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Caferacer311 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1926-S-VF-M...em35b62970ce

here is a link of another 1926s the same seller is selling...looks like it has been cleaned
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 Posted 11/14/2011  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnny54321 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They don't look harshly cleaned to me. Lightly cleaned or dipped is a possibility. Learning to recognize cleaning is one of the most important skills for any numismatist, so I would work on harnessing those skills. This is a cheap lesson at worst, but I think your ok.
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 Posted 11/14/2011  9:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SpringCypress to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think you did just fine for the price that you paid.
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 Posted 11/14/2011  9:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Caferacer311 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I thought to myself the other day that I could and wouldn't get trick to buying a coin that was cleaned...i guess I was wrong, live and learn
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 Posted 11/14/2011  9:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As I said, they look dipped. In the popular vernacular, "cleaned" indicates harsh treatment to remove crud. "Dipped" does not indicate such harsh treatment. Thsoe coins are far too clean for the amount of wear to not have been dipped relatively recently. The seller may not have done that. Or he may be saying not cleaned knowing they were only dipped. And using the terms as accepted, he would be correct.

End result is simply this. You did not overpay for the coins, and they do not look bad at all. So I would say be happy.
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 Posted 11/14/2011  9:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Caferacer311 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thats true I should be happy but on a good note I bought this for 4.30 I-Think-I-Got-Riped-Off-On-Ebay....
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I have bought a few cleaned coins myself, the one pictured here have hairline scratches more then I normally see, but if the prices are right. I would still buy it!

I also going through the learning process here but I don't think I be good as some of the other pros here in terms of understanding coin processing, like how a coin is being minted the way it is and how that error coin got to be that way.

I normally buy from reputable dealers, or the big 3 TPG knowing 99.9% is safe, sometime I get lucky just knowing what I have under the belt and picking up some nice varieties and error for good prices.
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I've popped open rolls of dimes stored for decades that had blazing white uncirculated mercs in them ... so to say that those coins are too white to have not been dipped recently ... I think not. They look entirely natural to me, and my take on the whole "cleaned" thing ... is that most of them have been at some point. If they look like they just came bqack from the chrome plating shop with my buddy's Harley parts ... or like they were sanded with 400 grit paper, or bleached and denuded by rubbing with baking soda, then I'm OK. Now, we're talking circulated grades. Start asking me to lay down big bucks for uncirculated stuff. ... now, I'm gonna get fussy on ya.

Those coins have reasonable patina for the level of wear and do not appear unnatural. Just remember ... a cleaned coin, carried in a pocket for a week along with some of its peers....maybe some common date silver roosevelts, loses a lot of the characteristics of a cleaned coin. Hairlines will fade from abrasion against other coins. It will regain a natural patina over time, and end up being just a "circulated" coin. Remaining hairlines darken and look completely natural, becoming part of the "patina"

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 Posted 11/14/2011  10:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Chancellor, a dime stored for decades in a roll is hardly the same thing as these. That apples to oranges. These are WELL circulated coins that have very little grime in the details. That is highly unlikely in a circulated coin unless that coin has been dipped. That does not mean they appear unnatural. As I said, they dont look bad at all.
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The coins don't look cleaned to me. Even if they were, you paid a good price for them.

If these were the pics you bought them as or if the pics were similar, please take some responsibility for your actions (purchases). Buyers that simply want to return stuff because they get buyer's remorse really make me mad. You tell them you had a no return policy and confirm that they received the correct coin and all....then they open up a case against you.

I learned one fateful afternoon how skewed ebay is towards buyers. I had an auction with very detailed pictures and an explanation of the cleaning in the description. The buyer contacts me and basically says "the cleaning is too much for me and I want a full refund" on a fairly expensive rare coin. I told him no, I'm not Walmart, and you knew exactly what you bought. He won the case because he said the description didn't say "harshly cleaned", it just said "cleaned". Keep in mind, the coin wasn't even harshly cleaned. The ebay customer service rep even told me he knew I was right and that the guy was BS, but according to policy, he had to rule against me.

I got so screwed with the strike against me and him leaving negative feedback and giving me all 1 stars because that was on my smallest account which only had about 30 transactions.

Since that, I also get mad whenever I hear stories like this where somebody is debating returning something for no good reason at all and not taking responsibility.

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 Posted 11/14/2011  11:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Caferacer311 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
O sorry to hear that! I agree 100% what you mean...i bought it and now I have to accept my own fault
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Well circulated coins that have come from rolls can look exactly like those coins. I don't see anything unusual about the color at all.

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