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IMO Talk about politics! The bill was introduced by Rep. Rehberg (R) from Montana because, one of the only producing palladium mines in the US is in Montana. There was more information on this in an article in the magazine "COINage" a while back. Let me look it up and will add to this post. I have not heard of any new information.
Edited by bpoc1 11/16/2011 5:21 pm
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Even though some want no talk about politics and precious metals in the same discussion - they both go together like ham a eggs. Know your history about politics and precious metals. US Politicians have been mucking around with gold and silver since 1776. http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h763.html
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Regardless of the political motive for producing palladium coins, most coin collectors would be thrilled with the idea of a new type of PM coin available from the US Mint. I know that I certainly would. I would also like to see some fractional ounce coins made of palladium. I don't know if fractionals are included in the legislation that authorizes palladium coins but it would be very nice if some were produced.
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Quote: Even though some want no talk about politics and precious metals in the same discussion - they both go together like ham a eggs. I do not like green eggs and ham...  Please keep the politics in the General Discussion Forum forum.
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I think the current field of US coins is already too cluttered. In order to keep up with every year you have to acquire dozens of coins as it is.
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Quote: Even though some want no talk about politics and precious metals in the same discussion - they both go together like ham a eggs. Isn't that the truth. The PM markets aren't not moving based on commodity market fundamentals / supply and demand. They are moving based on politics and fear. It makes the current push on this forum to purge all talk of politics a bit odd. (If my track record holds, this thread will be deleted as soon as I reply, LOL) Here is the latest I could find on the palladium bullion coin: http://www.coinworld.com/articles/m...arket-study/It seems the bill passed and the Mint is currently doing a mandatory market study to determine if there is a market for a palladium bullion coin. The bill also all but requires the palladium to be purchased from Stillwater Mining Co, in Montana, which is of course represented by Rep. Denny Rehberg, R-Mont., who introduced and championed the bill.
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"H.R. 6166, introduced by Rep. Denny Rehberg (R) from Montana on September 22, 2010, stipulates that each Palladium Eagle coin would be struck in .9995 fine palladium, weigh one troy ounce and have a denomination of $25".
One ounce of Palladium.... that sounds a little big and pricey. How about a .25 ounce piece. That would be a little closer (somewhat larger) in size to a 2.5 gram silver dime (.0321507466 x 2.5 = .081 ounces) since Silver and Palladium are close in density.
Metal....... Density (Specific Gravity) Gold........ 19.3 Silver...... 10.5 Platinum.... 21.4 Palladium... 12.0 Copper...... 9.0
Edited by Danester 11/16/2011 7:00 pm
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Quote: It makes the current push on this forum to purge all talk of politics a bit odd. No, it does not. Discuss the metals, not the politics. It is quite simple. Okay -- "I am short on gold because I feel the market is being manipulated by political maneuvering. I like to buy my gold from that place over there and keep it with my other holdings over here." Not Cool! -- "I am short on gold because I know the market is being manipulated by that rat-fink senator from somewhere. He is a known liberal/communist/fascist/zealot/etc. He needs to be ousted by the great non-rat-fink congressman from over here. Here are ten links to political sites to back up my position, one of them may mention gold in a mere attempt to be on topic, but the truth is I have an agenda as well." Got it? 
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Quote:I think the current field of US coins is already too cluttered. In order to keep up with every year you have to acquire dozens of coins as it is. Stamp collectors have a blacklist of issues that serve only to get money from collectors. Stuff like State Quarters, prez $ and ATB pucks would prolly qualify.
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Jbuck: I've not seen a lot of the name calling referenced in your second example. To me, most political discussion has been related to issued. That's just me, I'm not the moderator. We play by your rules.
As to the number of coins and new designs, I'm on the other side. I like to see new designs each year. I don't see much point in collecting the same coin year after year. I know some people like to do that but I'm not one of them. I would much rather collect a nice example each coin design regardless of year.
I expect to see the palladium coin available in 2012. With the current PM market, I can't see the market study showing no market for a palladium coin. Right now you jump from a $50 Silver Eagle to a $2000 Gold Eagle. I can see a market for a coin in the $750 dollar range.
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Personaly the ASE is getting long in the tooth. Maybe thatis why I have moved over to the Maple. Not that bullion makes that much of a difference. After all the value is not the design of the coin.
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I wouldn't mind owning some palladium I just haven't found a design that really grabs me. The Mercury dime would be an instant success in my opinion.
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Quote: Jbuck: I've not seen a lot of the name calling referenced in your second example. That is because we remove most of it.  Quote: To me, most political discussion has been related to issued. Granted, what I gave was an extreme example. The real problem is that the first "okay" example is followed by several more borderline ones; each pushing it more into politics than the previous and eventually ending with some "not cool" type of posts. Quote: That's just me, I'm not the moderator. We play by your rules. And we do appreciate it.  Please, do not take this personally (I know, I picked your quote, but just for a lead-in). 99.9% of the membership is well behaved and we try our best to keep things on topic.  By the way, we do have a place for political talk in General Discussion Forum! Truth be known, most of it is well behaved discussion, it is just in the wrong place. I encourage all that want to debate the political side to opt-in to the GD forum. But remember, you still need to keep it family friendly.  Now, lets get back to this Mercury dime Bullion! For the record, I like it. 
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Quote: I do not like green eggs and ham... Perhaps not... but Dr. Seuss made quite a fortune out of it!  Quote:I wouldn't mind owning some palladium I just haven't found a design that really grabs me. The Mercury dime would be an instant success in my opinion. Same here and I agree about the winged Liberty (aka Mercury) dime design. A 1/2 ounce Pd coin using the Walking Liberty design would be pretty cool too. Quote:I think the current field of US coins is already too cluttered. In order to keep up with every year you have to acquire dozens of coins as it is. Lots of collectors do not "keep up with every year". Doing that kind of seems as if we are letting others tell us what we should collect. If an item of silver bullion appeals to me, I collect it. If not, then I don't.  Quote: "A little odd"..... yes JSH that was my first impression. But then my experince reminded me most of us who have a passion for Coins are all a "Little Odd". And we have a WINNER at hitting the old nail right on the head! Most of the bullion and many of the coin collectors I've met are definitely outside the box thinkers. I suppose that makes keeping us in a box a bit like trying to herd cats but... that sure seems to be the nature of the beast.  Quote: It seems the bill passed and the Mint is currently doing a mandatory market study to determine if there is a market for a palladium bullion coin. While they are doing their study, they might consider asking the nice folks at the Royal Canadian Mint how their Pd bullion coin sales are doing. That would inject a bit of actual hands-on real-world market experience into what otherwise might be a dry theoretical study of this issue.
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